EvilMonkey

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 9, 2015 -> 12:51 PM) Isn't the rule on pulling a gun that you don't pull the gun as a threat, you pull the gun because you're prepared to shoot the person you're aiming it at? Isn't that like responsible gun ownership basics? Yes. And if the guys coming at him presented a knife or a gun I am pretty sure he would have shot to defend himself. Would you rather he waited until they were upon him?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 9, 2015 -> 12:55 PM) Are you willing to invade and reoccupy Iraq and Syria? Maybe if Iraq was managed better having to re-invade wouldn't be an option.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 9, 2015 -> 10:45 AM) Regardless of what they were really trying to do, the argument in her civil case will be that they were her friends and trying to protect her from a "out of control" policeman they felt might harm their 15 year old friend who just happened to be wearing a bikini...whether people like it or not, the image of a guy weighing twice as much using that much force and twisting her arm and throwing her back down to the ground isn't going to win him much sympathy. The other thing here is the officers responding had no way of identifying what teens exactly were causing the problem...because by all reports the majority had been invited, and the problem started where other kids came over the fence when they heard the confrontation with the white woman and the girl who organized the event. This wasn't a case of an "all white" party where a bunch of black teens just came and took it over...the majority of the kids who were there at the b-day party were invited...and it seems the main problem arose when the parents took exception to the behavior of some of the kids. Not only did the police officer observe bad judgment, but surely there was a more polite way to address the partygoers than the tact she took which is to attack them directly with verbal taunts/insults. Adults should know better than to start a fight or confrontation with kids. She should have gotten someone in a more official capacity involved before she took matters into her own hands. From what I have both read and heard, it was a (black) security guard that called the police, when he couldn't keep people from coming in. They claimed they were invited, but there are only TWO people per resident allowed in the pool area, and people were getting mad they weren't allowed in. The 'host' invited a hundred people to a pool where she only had permission to invite 2. Yeah, not gonna be any problems there...

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 9, 2015 -> 07:28 AM) Even assuming that they were a threat, not every threat warrants deadly force. He had "30 pounds of gear" on him, surely some of it was non lethal. What if one of those kids had taken a swing at him? Would that have justified shooting them in your mind? I would have had zero problem with him pulling his gun if they took a swing at him. Would have been better had he pulled a nightstick or something, but if it were escalated to violence from them, then yes. What same person rushes a cop? Especially one that you see is acting crazy?

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 9, 2015 -> 01:44 AM) Alpha Dog what is your take on the fact only one cop (Fife) was acting like a maniac? All the other police seemed calm as this one cop was going berserk. Also how do you condone him roughing up the kid in the bikini. I mean WTF? Again, the other cops were calm. One cop freaking out. Bizarre and a fireable offense for taking out his gun and kneeing the girl in the back. I don't condone what he did for the most part. Why do you think the mere act of pulling out his gun is fireable? Those kids were coming up on him while he was occupied, they were a threat. Yeah, he pretty much took the situation to 11 with his actions towards the girl, but who tries to rush a cop? I seem to remember recently some 'gentle giant' tried that and hit the cop, tried to steal a gun...

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 8, 2015 -> 09:54 PM) "they broke the pool rules!" is not a justification for throwing racial slurs at and assaulting teenagers. Given that that guy quoted above doesn't see how race would be a factor in explicit racial slurs and the discrepancy in the way we saw everyone treated on film, I'm inclined to not really care what he has to say. Teenagers swearing at a grown man with a badge and a gun is not an excuse for reckless behavior and assaulting a teenager. You say you see both sides but your first post was only about how the kids escalated the situation and how threatening it was for the police officer. And yours was basically f*** the Police.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 8, 2015 -> 05:57 PM) The kids were invited or actually live there, it was a racist white woman throwing around racial slurs at a bunch of teenagers and then hitting one of them that started it all. Thi story suggests that it was that and other things, like kids NOT living there, being unruly, accosting a security guard, etc. And they can all be invited if they want, but the pool rules were only TWO invitees per resident. So if the 'organizer' invited the 70+ people, then she broke the rules, and they were not allowed to be there. There are also rumors that the DJ was tweeting out the party invite as well, along with trying to charge people. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning...-with-neighbor/ What that cop did was stupid and dangerous. I just find it odd that you can't see how other parties in this also f***ed up to the point that they helped cause and/or escalate things. In your eyes, cop did wrong, nothing else matters. I can see cop did wrong, can see others did as well.

QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Jun 8, 2015 -> 01:53 PM) Was that tactical roll he did in the beginning on purpose or did he fall and was just trying to play it off? He seemed to be pretty raged out. The other cop seemed to be doing fine just talking calmly with a group of the kids. That did look kind of out of place, and he did seem out of control. Unless he was trying to be tacticool. Not denying any of that.

So, zero blame for kids rushing up on the officer? Got it.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Jun 8, 2015 -> 12:36 PM) 299...wow. Mine was a 278. I was with a group and one of the girls was making a joke out of my 300 game bid, and decided to interfer with me as I was going up, touching me and yelling. I threw an 8 on the first ball in the 10th, then got the spare and then got the last strike. Nice. No interference here. In fact, once you get up in the 10th, everyone for 4 or more lanes each way just stops. It was kind of unnerving, TBH. Got a lucky one on my first in the 10th, buried a TV strike for the second then sat down for a minute and had a drink to try and calm down. no luck, so just threw towards the middle, hit very heavy, left the 10 pin. Oh well.

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Jun 8, 2015 -> 11:41 AM) It's how the political game is played these days. The only kind of corporate tax breaks wealthy liberals seem to like.

So you have a cop trying to arrest someone and then you have other kids running up to him while his back is turned and/or his attention is on the person he is trying to arrest. Outnumbered, what do you expect him to do, just step back and say 'yeah, you can just go free, your friends who came running up on me convinced me of the error of my ways'? What do people expect when they run up challenging a cop? That is a serious question. Would YOU go running up to a cop and start getting in the middle if you were there? We don't know what was aid or done by that girl to warrant the take down. You can bet it had to be something, as all cops are aware of being filmed and s*** nowadays. And they are all also aware that there are people out there just killing cops. So when he takes her down, I feel it was all the people runnign up in there that escalated it. You have your phones, keep recording. By interjecting yourselves into that incident, YOU escalated it.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Jun 7, 2015 -> 11:50 PM) If I lived closer I would do it. I love bowling. Nearly bowled my first 300 game last summer. Very nice. I had thought I would never get there anymore what with my various knee and foot issues, thinking my 290 of a decade ago would be the high game. However lat year I was one pin away, 299. I got what I deserved, however, as the last shot was not a good one, nerves got to me and I really missed my mark. So you never know... However the bowling here is all that sort of crazy crap they do at these things. I just go because it is my charity and for the prizes.

FYI, you don't have to bowl to buy raffle tickets, but you do need to be there. Drawing will be around 11-ish. The tickets will be either $5 or $10, I don't think the damn committee has made up its mind yet. But it needs to soon if it wants me to make the tickets...

The charity that I volunteer for, Help Save Pets, is hosting a candlelight bowl on June 13th at Plainfield Lanes, 9:30 pm, $25 per person which includes shoe rental, 2 hours of bowling, pizza and pop. There will be raffles for thousands of dollars in prizes. They will have the usual prize 'baskets' which are a cut above what you normally see at most candlelights, as well as a separate raffle for 4 tickets to the Home Plate Club. Those are a $1000 value!!!!!! Want to come? Email/message me for tickets. http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/cws/ticket...eating_club.jsp

QUOTE (Tex @ May 29, 2015 -> 02:17 PM) You are creating a premise that is how these laws were designed to work. You are stating this is why the laws were proposed. We all know that laws do not prevent a crime. If we used that criteria we wouldn't have any laws. Again, I ask. Name one law in the history of laws that prevented crimes from being committed? The reason we have laws is to determine the punishment. In the end, that is all they do. And that is why I was criticizing the anti's use of this incident for new laws, CLAIMING THAT THEY WOULD HAVE PREVENTED THIS.

QUOTE (Tex @ May 29, 2015 -> 02:14 PM) To be clear Alpha began this segment by stating by making a statement that the laws didn't work. Again, we all agree that criminals break laws. Why is that any proof that the laws didn't work? I said "You think background checks, waiting periods and smaller magazine limits would have made a difference?" They currently do not have those laws there, so there was no law to work or not work. Shannon Watts advocating for the law and saying it WOULD have worked is what I was complaining against. She used a bad action to try and advocate for her preferred remedy. Yes, criminals break the laws. We both get that. SHE thinks new laws would have stopped them. I disagree, no laws would have stopped them, just hindered everyone else. You go off on a tangent and here we are.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 29, 2015 -> 12:54 PM) This sounds like you're crossing it up with civil asset forfeiture? http://dailysignal.com/2015/05/14/federal-...ce-store-owner/ https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150511/...se-it-can.shtml Stories like this one all the time. Mostly on deposits, however. Why the feds need to know what you do with your own money when you withdraw it is a mystery to me. He should have told them to go pound sand, it's his money he can do what he wants. Unless it is illegal to withdraw your money...

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 29, 2015 -> 12:45 PM) Just to note - the laws requiring these disclosures of movements of large sums of money were actually strengthened in 2001 by the USA Patriot Act as a method of making it harder for terrorists to move/launder money undetected. I know why they are there and how they are abused to confiscate money from legitimate people with almost no hope of getting it back.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ May 29, 2015 -> 09:21 AM) It is not a crime to withdraw your own money. Sure it is, if you take it in amounts under the 10k limit to avoid reporting to the irs. he should have told them it was one of their business why he was taking out money, but he had to try and make something up so they will get him for lying now as well.

QUOTE (Tex @ May 29, 2015 -> 08:06 AM) Again, how do you judge if a law is making a difference? It's a damn simple question that you keep avoiding. The only thing you say is well criminals broke the law. Well again, criminals break laws all the time, it doesn't mean the laws aren't working. You're only point is criminals break laws. So unless you can finally explain how you come to the conclusion that the laws aren't working, I'll assume you don't want to answer the question. Because I never said the laws were or were not working. I said that the laws they wanted would not have worked there, so it was a bad example of the need for the law. Antis INSIST that the laws will PREVENT things from happening. They INSIST that the laws they want would have prevented the Waco incident. I say that they are wrong. The laws may help them add some jail time to them after they are caught, but they will NOT STOP THEM from happening. My point is exactly that criminals break laws and that no law will prevent them from doing what they want to do. Antis seem to think otherwise and use bad examples, like Waco, to back their claim. How much more clear can I make that for you?

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ May 29, 2015 -> 12:52 AM) That part is sealed but there are rumors /speculation swirling around out there. I would think that should be the bigger story. Former Speaker Blackmailed! As for his withdrawals, it is just disgusting that it is a crime to withdraw your own money.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ May 28, 2015 -> 07:07 PM) Former Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert indicted on federal charges No word on who was trying to blackmail him and what it was? I heard this on the radio earlier today, but no details.

QUOTE (Tex @ May 28, 2015 -> 01:47 PM) CNN reported what the cops were saying. Good job to the cops for not knowing what the count was. Alpha, what proof would you accept that a law works? tex, not going there. I didn't say that the law would or would not work. I said using the Waco incident to advocate for the laws, where it would not have made a difference, was stupid. We've been over that more than once and you keep trying to change the goalposts. That's like saying that since a car slid off the road during snowy weather that it proves we need to have mandatory third tail lights.

QUOTE (Tex @ May 28, 2015 -> 07:31 AM) It is easy to say anything about the Waco shooting in favor or against. The Waco shooting shows how the laws worked. With more guns, more ammo, more higher power weapons people in neighboring businesses would have been killed. With higher capacity more people would have been killed. Those weapons were not present making this a lot better than the horror it could have been. According to CNN there were over 1000 weapons seized including AK-47's. I am sure that those had at least standard capacity magazines.Try again. http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2015/05/20/er...pons-seized.cnn Edit Other news sources say the total weapon count closer to 300, with about half being guns, mostly handguns. Good job, CNN.