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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 17, 2011 -> 08:24 AM) Oh, ok, so it's even worse, there's no "mandatory" part left to it except for covering scheduled benefits. So we still spend $30 trillion extra to meet current obligations, but then we cut off Social Security completely for some portion of the population, and then we discover to our horror that once we made Social Security "elective", 2/3 of the people in the country didn't invest in it at all, hit retirement age with nothing, and wind up being supported by the government anyway. The reason that the program actually works is exactly what you said in your last post. It covers everyone. It's a baseline. Everyone pays the same rate and everyone is invested in the program. Individual mistakes can't screw it up. It's simple, functional, and even if you screw everything else up in your life, by the time you hit OASDI, you are not out on the street. Pretending that you can extract savings by making social security optional is just silly, because you should know exactly what will happen. People will fail to invest in it or they'll borrow against it, then the government will wind up picking up the tab for those people anyway. This is one area me and you agree on 110%. I highlighted via underline (above) a point people seem to dismiss, whether out of convenience to their argument, or out of believing people are smarter than they are. What Balta claims in the above underlined would happen...absolutely would happen. Look at the elective 401k contributions in various corporations throughout the country, most people don't bother and the statistics show it. They claim they'll save on their own, but they don't, because they live on credit. At my company, 401k contributions are so low that they actually started automatically signing people up every year and you have to go out of your way to remove it (you can). Never mind the fact that my company matches 100% on the first 1%, and 50% on the remaining 5% (total 6% contribution), an overwhelming number of people STILL elect to NOT do it. Balta is absolutely right, as it stands many seniors barely make it by with social security now, and you're asking to give the choice to the "credit card generation" to not contribute to it because you believe they'll save on their own? I wouldn't refer to them as the credit card generation if they were living on surpluses. LAUGHABLE, at best and negligent at worst. I can loan you my Delorean here, you can travel into the future and see what would happen. They wouldn't save. And the taxpayers would end up propping them anyway...otherwise they'd collapse the entire system. One thing they WILL NOT elect to do in the future in which they have NO money is starve to death.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ May 14, 2011 -> 05:54 PM) It's gotta be transferring via bluetooth, not actually getting 3G itself. I think he means that if your listening to Pandora or watching Hulu through your Sync via BT you'd need a 3g/4g signal.

First and foremost...I'm back again. Soxtalk admins can't keep me down! ---- On topic...I have 2 grills myself, a gas Weber and a garbage can style charcoal. IMO, both have advantages, and since I grill on both, I can actually say so without the time tested gas vs charcoal bias you get from the two camps. The gas grill is great if you are short on time and for simple things like chicken wings, sausages, burgers and dogs. It's also great if you plan on doing repeat cooking throughout the day (at a party), and don't want to be stuck at the grill all day. Another argument is for those looking for perfect temp control, but that's a different argument altogether, since if you plan on firing up the grill just to shut the lid for 60 minutes, you can do that in an oven. The charcoal grill is used for *real* meat, like prime grade steaks, lamb chops, boar chops, etc. I'll finish ribs on either, depending on how much time I have. That said, I always prefer the charcoal for thicker, more expensive cuts of meat. For example, I won't bother firing up my charcoal for a select grade steak...it's prime or bust on that. I use standard briquettes, but I'll soak some apple or cherry or mesquite or hickory wood chips in water for a while and toss those on top of the lit/ready briquettes for smoke flavor. Obviously, depending on what type of meat I'm cooking will alter what wood chips I use. And anyone here that tries to claim that wood fired grills do not give added flavor 1) doesn't know how to grill, and 2) is a biased liar face that mistakes convenience for flavor, but won't admit it.

We need to drive through this, full steam ahead...as bad as it's been, we are a 7-5 team. The more rational side of myself says we need to make a change at closer, but not start demoting guys to AAA or looking elsewhere...yet. Crain or Santos should close at this point. Return Thornton to being the setup man, and see if it resolves his issues...and move on. It's easy to get heated and angry at each other right now...I know I did with BigHurt earlier, and it was silly of me to do so. We can't take this out on each other...we need to keep focused and remember it's a marathon.

QUOTE (TheBigHurt @ Apr 13, 2011 -> 05:01 PM) And I'm saying it WOULD have because Crain and especially Santos have been solid. It WOULD have mattered. Again if they would have failed, so be it. But logically Ozzie should have gone with one of the two, it's just that simple. Well, I agree with this, and would have agreed with it from the start. You took what I said in a context in which I didn't mean it...then insulted me as totally inept. So yes, you got an immature response to an immature attack.

QUOTE (TheBigHurt @ Apr 13, 2011 -> 04:56 PM) The idea is that you've said over and over that since so-and-so gave up a hit/run at the time they were put in that it "doesn't matter" that they weren't put in sooner because everyone would b****... therefore that means you're assuming the same exact thing would have happened, otherwise you need to start wording your posts better. You can't claim to know how a situation would have turned out had something different be done. I am not ready to believe that you actually think something that ludicrous because your posts so far represent that exact mindset. See, you took this out of context, and thus the blow up you caused here. What I meant, and how I meant it wasn't literal but cynical/pessimistically...the way this pen is performing right now, it wouldn't matter who he picked in what situation...in the 9th, they're going to blow it...somehow, someway. That's a more elaborate way to say what I said earlier.

QUOTE (daa84 @ Apr 13, 2011 -> 04:51 PM) jesse crain has been an average pitcher throughout his career. hes had a year or two where hes been slightly better than average, and a year or two where hes been slightly worse. He is what he is...a 7th inning guy. Nothing more Because he couldn't possibly be worse than what we're using now...that's the only thing I'm really basing it on...he may be just as bad, but at least try it. Santos may be the only one we have in the pen that we can trust right now, so I'm trying to save him for an emergency.

QUOTE (TheBigHurt @ Apr 13, 2011 -> 04:51 PM) That doesn't negate my argument or support yours. Frankly it's irrelevant. If this is the case how can you not see how it's more logical to TRY Crain (or Santos) who are the ONLY guys who have looked good recently instead of everyone else in the pen who essentially can't pitch at ALL right now? I'm befuddled. Again, "assumption" based on facts is credible. "Assumption" based on absolutely nothing (your position for the most part) is not. Again, this isn't rocket science; it's basic logic. Again, which of my opinions are you even basing any of this on? I do NOT want Sale OR Thornton to close. I've said as much in numerous previous game threads...so what exact opinion of mine are you even basing this on? Because at this point, I don't even know...and neither do you.

QUOTE (TheBigHurt @ Apr 13, 2011 -> 04:46 PM) LOGICALLY THEY ARE BETTER CHOICES, therefore they are better options. PERIOD. If that's an assumption, so be it but it's far more logical than yours, which are always BASED on absolutely NOTHING, whereas mine is based on recent statistical history. This shows how you and Ozzie are pretty alike... go entirely with guy and completely ignore facts and statistics. A guy thinking basing an argument on ZIP is as credible as basing one on recent FACTS... utterly HILARIOUS. Again, I've been saying I wanted Crain to close for *DAYS*. So what exactly are you basing this all on that I've said? This is what I mean...you don't even know what you're saying now...I don't want Thornton OR Sale to close, and I've said as much in previous game threads, numerous times. So, what exactly are you basing my "inept" and discredited opinions on? Because you don't even know...

QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Apr 13, 2011 -> 04:45 PM) I JOKINGLY used the term "idiot" once when I first got here, and I got a nice lil vacation. You guys might get hit with the banstick. If I were you, I'd quickly make up and delete the incriminating evidence before a mod sees it I'm not deleting anything. If they ban me, they ban me. But nobody's going to insult my credibility here without a direct and harsh response...especially the one that tried.

QUOTE (TheBigHurt @ Apr 13, 2011 -> 04:43 PM) Never called you an idiot, FYI. You DID say "f*** you, dickbag," though... which shows your lack of maturity. Again, sorry you think something is an assumption to you because you lack the ability to simply put 2 and 2 together. Crain and Santos are the only ones who have looked good (Santos especially). Logic dictates one of the two is a better choice. It's not rocket science. I said the other day that I'd like to see Crain get the job.

QUOTE (TheBigHurt @ Apr 13, 2011 -> 04:38 PM) Thornton has fallen apart mentally. Sale has not looked good. Pena has been terrible. Ohman has been inconsistent. Santos and Crain are the only ones who have looked overall decent or have appeared to have good control/mentality lately. So what can we derive from this as intelligent human beings? One of those 2 is the more logical choice. Doi. At very least it's an "assumption" that has VASTLY more credibility than yours. Don't be mad at me because you lack basic thinking skills... rofl EDIT: LOL at Ozzie saying "s***" uncensored twice during the post game conference. Again, you ASSUME that Santos and Crain will be better. They may be, and I'm all for removing Thornton, but that doesn't change the fact that you are basing this on an assumption. Because they can pitch in the 8th, they can close. Well, they assumed that about Thornton, too...and that assumption turned out to be wrong. See how these are ALL assumptions? That doesn't make your opinion on this inept, it just makes it what it is. And no, it doesn't make your assumption more credible than mine. I've been saying for days that I don't want Thornton closing.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Apr 13, 2011 -> 04:38 PM) I hope not. The game threads are different from regular threads. They bring out the worst because of the anger in the Sox blowing games. No, that's not what happened at all. A poster does not like that I base my opinions of baseball on "assumptions", which is what second guessing is, and calls me an inept idiot. That's what happened. And the response he got from me was deserved.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Apr 13, 2011 -> 04:35 PM) I don't think anybody ever called me a dickbag even when I incensed posters big time. I'd be happy to be the first.

QUOTE (TheBigHurt @ Apr 13, 2011 -> 04:34 PM) "I said that logically Crain or Sale would have been a better choice." That's a true statement, not an assumption. Again, it seems you have a hard time with basic reading comprehension. Continue to base ALL your arguments on what you assume and ENTIRELY ignoring ANY logic offered on said matter and call ME stupid. Nice ad hominem attack, too. I see I'm trying to reason with a child, now. No, it's not a true statement, it's an opinion. Idiot. And this shows how much of an idiot you are. You don't know fact from opinion.

QUOTE (dmbjeff @ Apr 13, 2011 -> 04:33 PM) easy fellas Sorry, I don't appreciate my opinions being called inept, simply because a person disagrees with me. Thus he gets called what he is, and what he's acting like.

QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 13, 2011 -> 04:27 PM) All that matters is the f***ing result. And I get that. It just seems that, right now, it doesn't matter WHO Ozzie uses, they find a way to blow it, regardless of situation, regardless of anything. All of you are simply second guessing whoever Ozzie picks, they blow the game, and you ASSUME that if he had picked ANYONE else, it'd be different...kinda like how that other retard accused me of having nothing but inept opinions because I base on them on assumptions? I've never seen a stupider post from anyone on this board... Yes, BigHurt, my opinions are inept because I base them on assumptions...but yours aren't, because you...oh wait, you base them on DIFFERENT ASSUMPTIONS. Twit.

QUOTE (TheBigHurt @ Apr 13, 2011 -> 04:21 PM) Yes, because you know for a fact that had someone else been put in in the first place, things would have happened the same way, right? You go with what is most logical at the TIME, second guessing what would have been the right move at the time is foolish. Your logic is ridiculous. So far EVERY argument I have seen from you on any subject is based entirely on assumption, which makes your opinions inept, quite frankly. Um, ALL second guessing is done via assumption, just as every last one of yours are. You simply ASSUME that using Thornton off the bat, instead of Sale, results in a successful outing. See how that works, you jackass? Which makes your opinions inept, and f***ing retarded, quite frankly.

QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 13, 2011 -> 04:20 PM) Crain got one guy out, and gave up one walk. And could barely throw his fastball for strikes, and couldn't throw a curve anywhere near the zone...

QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 13, 2011 -> 04:18 PM) Keep making excuses for Sale starting the 9th. Pretty simple choice to use Crain there with 2 righties up. Crain failed too. So did Thornton. So keep making excuses for members of the bullpen, because it wouldn't have mattered WHO Ozzie used.

QUOTE (whtsoxfan @ Apr 13, 2011 -> 04:15 PM) Danks Should have Closed His Own Game Out. Same thing as Buerhle on Monday! And by July, we have 5 starters on the DL for dead arm, because it doesn't matter who we try to use out of the pen, they fail.

It's amazing this team has the record it has.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Apr 13, 2011 -> 04:13 PM) Whose fault this inning? It has to be Ozzies...despite him trying to use just about the entire bullpen, only to have every one of them fail...it's his fault.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Apr 13, 2011 -> 04:04 PM) Santos will blow a save and be the wrong choice in no time. Give it a few days. And it will be Ozzies fault.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Apr 13, 2011 -> 03:55 PM) One week ago Thornton sucks play sale. This week, Sale sucks, use Thornton. Thus is the life of soxtalk. Enough said.