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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 10, 2011 -> 09:50 AM) He's more of a drain on the economy if the State chooses to kill him. Because of bureaucracy and stupidity. Like I said, a 5 cent bullet would do the trick, and I guarantee it costs less. In either case, Sqwert/Balta and Y2HH will NEVER agree on this.

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jan 10, 2011 -> 09:56 AM) I'm willing to spend up to about $250 on each, before tailoring. Ok, and second, why do you need two suits? One for parties and one for business?

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jan 10, 2011 -> 09:33 AM) So if we kill him she'll get all those things? Also, he will never get married, have kids, buy a house, go fishing, take a cruise, hang out in Vegas, or have any freedom whatsoever. A long life of suffering and loneliness is pretty s***ty. It's not about bringing her back, I've already covered this. He's now a drain on the economy, nothing more, and he never will be anything more. He CHOSE the life of suffering and loneliness, he KNEW the only two outcomes of this were 1) he dies or 2) what he gets now...the little girl didn't choose what she got, however.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 10, 2011 -> 09:19 AM) And I take a lot of pride in the fact that our system doesn't work the way you want it to. Yea, instead, it works wonderfully better. Take pride in this: The little girl will never get to grow up, possibly get married, fall in love, have her first kiss, possibly have children of her own, or a career...take vacations as an adult, taste wine for the first time with a loved one, etc, etc. Meanwhile...this parasite gets to live on, watching cable television, reading magazines and fed three times a day (or more), given workout time, etc...all on the public dime! Awesome.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 10, 2011 -> 09:15 AM) And that bloodlust gets no one anywhere. It does for me. Anyone caught red handed should be dealt with in this same way. I'm not talking about people accused of murder...I'm talking about people we KNOW did it, so there is no in-between or possibility of innocence.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 10, 2011 -> 09:11 AM) You really and truly think that setting a precedent for the future will somehow deter the next person who wants to do this? In the end, I don't care. I hope he dies a miserable, horrific, painful death.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 10, 2011 -> 08:59 AM) Really? How is your life made worse if he spends life in jail? Because, he continues to suck up massive amounts of resources when a 5 cent bullet could end his lean on society forever. It's not like we are talking bout someone that "may have" murdered people, and we don't want to risk the off chance he's innocent. We are talking about a person that actually DID it. I have zero sympathy here. Keeping this parasite alive is BEYOND f***ing insane. The fact that a little girl (amongst others), was robbed of her chance to live the better part of her life because of this trash is more than enough reason for me. It's not about bringing her back, either...it's about setting a precedent for others that will inevitably follow in his footsteps, rob people of their f***ing LIVES and DREAMS, and then live on in jail, watching television and eating three square meals a day. What's truly behind comprehension to me is that you stand here arguing for his life.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 10, 2011 -> 08:56 AM) Well, Carol Mosely-Braun is making quite the fool of herself. I mean, she seemed like kind of a dim bulb anyway, but this tax business is just hilarious. The other candidates reveal their taxes, Braun is asked, and she says (direct quote) "I don't want to". She's hammered for it, so releases... part of her taxes. Its revealed she was late on taxes many times. When further questions are asked, she says these two things, one right after another, and doesn't seem to understand how funny it sounds: "I am all about transparency", and "There will be no more drilling down". She's done for any chance of actually winning, but will still take some of the vote. It goes to show the problem here...that a person like herself could actually run for Mayor and get funding to do so. THEN, she will actually get some people to vote for her, despite all of this.

It's not only that politicians didn't properly fund the pension systems, it's FAR worse than that. They borrowed money from the pensions, money that wasn't theirs, and then lost the that money on bad investments or to cover budget shortfalls, and haven't bothered to pay it back.

Penn & Teller sum up vaccinations quite brilliantly.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 9, 2011 -> 02:52 PM) It's the wealthy and influential people advocating for policies that benefit them hugely...but they're 100% convinced everyone really believes in them and they're the best thing for everyone. Everyone in congress/senate is wealthy, regardless of affiliation, and they're only getting richer. I'm not saying anything about the topic at hand, because I agree it's a bunch of BS...but so are all of them. We have become a nation of vote buying. The republicans buy the rich vote/religious vote, the democrats buy the poor votes, and meanwhile, they all get richer regardless who wins or loses. They love fighting on the public stage when cameras are rolling, but they're all glad handed each other behind closed doors while popping open hundred dollar bottles of champagne, while talking about how awesome they are and how the public needs them!

It was fun, despite being surrounded by tree bark eating liberals.

A lot of people are hiring, just depends on what you do...and just because they're "hiring", doesn't mean they're going to hire anyone right away. With the number of workers out there, a lot of companies are taking their time, finding the best they can at the cheapest price...unfortunately, in a bad economy, the companies have the upper hand, and most of them know it.

It all depends on what you want to spend. I have 2 suits from MW, both are decent. Then, I have one from Brooks Brothers, which is the one I normally wear, but it cost about 10X what the suits from MW cost.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Jan 9, 2011 -> 09:26 PM) aaaare you kidding me? No, he's not. They're all doing it, some just do it smarter and with better disguise than others. QUOTE (Reddy @ Jan 9, 2011 -> 09:26 PM) people who view the world like you do are the reason i've been becoming more and more apathetic to politics in the last couple years. it's literally like banging your head against a wall repeatedly. (and yes I do mean literally). Translation: Because everyone doesn't think exactly like I think, I'm more apathetic to politics...blah blah blah, heads against wall. You should have given us a line about how open minded you are, too...because then this really would have been awesome.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Jan 9, 2011 -> 10:22 AM) you're right, but we're not talking about sane people like me and you, who would never go to such lengths to be heard/make a point/fix a perceived injustice as whipping out a gun and unloading on a crowd. we're talking about someone already prone to violence, to whom we gave a target. we put a TARGET on Giffords, and then she was shot. And yes, this has happened throughout history, but why not take steps to end it? Why not use this as an excuse to ratchet back the metaphors and the calls to violence? what harm can that do? as for your love/hate point... how often do you hear glen beck, bill o'reilly, jon stewart, keith olbermann, Fox News, MSNBC, CNN, etc etc etc talk about love? How often do you hear them reporting the GOOD in the world? You don't. Love doesn't have a place in our mainstream media because it's not sensationalist, doesn't sell, and doesn't make the media execs money. The average person hears the hate and misses out on the good. Well, I agree with you 100% on the media and how they report, that's for damn sure. But they're doing that because that's what the people want, so it's akin to a snowball going down a hill, growing bigger and more out of control the more momentum/size it gains. I just feel that even if we preached nothing but love, these same people would still corrupt the message and do these things, and we will (as sane people) never understand why, and always search for reasons where none exist.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Jan 9, 2011 -> 10:05 AM) He walked up to HER and shot her in the head point blank FIRST. sounds like a target to me. and for the record, i've already said that i'm not BLAMING Palin. It's everybody that creates this inflammatory climate of hate in which we live. Fair enough. But this is an endless argument and throughout history, which is replete with excuse after excuse to blame society for creating an inflammatory climate of hate instead of blaming the crazy people that do these things. It's funny I live in this SAME society but I don't run around shooting people. But I guess if I did, I have a built in excuse because you're giving it to me. Let's look at this from the opposite angle, instead of society creating an inflammatory climate of hate (and parts of it do), let's look at sects of society that create climates of love, and there ARE parts of society that do. You can preach love all you want, in society, in church, anywhere...but the wrong person will always take it the wrong way, twist it, corrupt it, and use it however they see fit. It's on the person, in how they interpret it, and how they abide by it that matters in the end.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Jan 9, 2011 -> 09:47 AM) so what made HER the target then? if you're an expert. Maybe she wasn't the target, maybe the judge was. But this doesn't fit your cause, so it couldn't be the judge he targeted! It MUST be the congresswoman, because then we can partially blame Palin! Or, maybe he was targeting both of them. Or ALL of them. We don't know. But jumping to conclusions is awesome regardless of not having any facts yet. In either case, I think creating excuses for people like this is the very problem I have with this argument. The biggest hole in this argument is that it's one huge if/then/else statement, with infinite possible outcomes, none of which we will ever know. I'm sure if we look throughout history, we can find some sort of excuse to blame society on every murder that's ever occurred, after all, that's easier than just blaming the people that carried out the actual deed. It's highly possible that this anti-government cockbag targeted these specific people merely because of geographical location and NOT because Palin used rhetorical brainwashing in order to get him to kill them!

QUOTE (Reddy @ Jan 9, 2011 -> 09:34 AM) and maybe he would have found a different target. And maybe he wouldn't have. See how easy that is?

QUOTE (Reddy @ Jan 9, 2011 -> 09:33 AM) so what do you suggest? we just get over it and move on and put on blinders to the causes? jeez man. that makes all the sense in the world. Yes, that's exactly what I said. Jump to more conclusions. You're entire attempt at an argument here is what makes no sense. The cause is mental illness and a penchant for murder and lack of respect for life devoid of morals. What more do you need here? I don't get it. Why do you HAVE to lay blame at the feet of others, because that's exactly what you're trying to do, in a thinly veiled disguise of "finding the truth", when the fact is, you WANT to blame Palin and others like her for political gain...why, I have no idea...but I can see that's exactly what you're doing here.

QUOTE (Tex @ Jan 9, 2011 -> 08:40 AM) We'll disagree here. We may not like the reason, the reason may not be neat and tidy, but we'll come close to understanding what happened. We can usually discover the stressor(s) that pushed someone with a mental disease to act. I maintain that IF the stressor(s) we think caused it didn't exist, he would have found another to replace it.

QUOTE (Tex @ Jan 9, 2011 -> 07:44 AM) Yes the psycho could have chosen to kill anyone, yet he found himself at a supermarket where a congresswoman was speaking. You believe the world is a better place with wanted posters and targets over someone, I believe it is a worse place and would like to see them stop. No use arguing, I just don't see the value in that type of rhetoric. And to be clear, I see this as more anti-government on his part, not the specific views of the congresswoman. Well, considering he killed a bunch of people, while it [may have been] meant to be a targeted killing, it's mixed with a lot of psycho considering he shot a bunch of others, regardless of their political affiliation. Wasn't the judge a G.H. Senior appointee? In either case, I agree there is no value in that type of rhetoric, but that rhetoric isn't what's necessary/needed for a psycho like this to kill people. It's just sane people searching for a reason where there is none to be found.

QUOTE (Tex @ Jan 9, 2011 -> 07:35 AM) And of course the comments would be so much different if the gunman was a Muslim. Sure they would, by the same idiots, just on the other side of the fence of idiots. That doesn't make either side right minded, or even intelligent. It makes them both ignorant asshats. That guy that did this same thing in Texas earlier this year (or was it last year), was another psycho idiot, plain and simple. He just happened to be a Muslim psycho idiot.

A person like the one we are speaking about will find the reason(s) they need to carry out the deeds they want to carry out. Period. And they'll find it anywhere, even if it's no where to be found. This is the part of the equation of "crazy loon" you are all choosing to ignore, because it's easier to just blame Palin or anyone else that gives them a weak sauce excuse to murder and fits the bill as political fodder for your side, despite using it in light of a tragedy. The guy was a screwed up psycho-naught, to pretend that this idiot needed someone like Palin to give him an excuse to kill is an exercise in absolute ignorance, consider the endless plethora of material that exists throughout time that would give him that SAME f***ing excuse. Give it up. Cleansing the world of all evil suggestion, contemplation or bad advice will not stop murderers from being murders. It will not stop the crazy from doing crazy things. And...it will never happen anyway.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Jan 8, 2011 -> 11:32 PM) why is it that we must assume it's an act of random criminal insanity? why is it completely impossible that it was motivated by something else? and how can you disagree that using violent rhetoric when referring to other public servants is a dangerous thing? EDIT: and Y2HH please refer to the post Balta made quoting the sheriff. I read his post, and I read your post. And what I said stands.