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Is there still a SoxTalk chatroom? If not, what happened to it?

QUOTE (SouthsideDon48 @ Apr 7, 2009 -> 01:11 PM) sheesh, sox are losing 1-0. THIS.TEAM.IS.DEAD! We're going to go 0-162

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 7, 2009 -> 01:09 PM) Crap, Crisp up with RISP. The question is can Crisp bat in the RISP?

QUOTE (ScottyDo @ Apr 7, 2009 -> 01:05 PM) aww crap. we're gonna get no-hit for the season Hahaha. This one made me laugh.

And then he K's. :/

Ohhh, Wise loading up the pitchcount!

Looked like he was calling the same pitches balls for the entire inning and then on that last batter the same locations were suddenly strikes. I hate inconsistent umpires.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 7, 2009 -> 12:51 PM) Sounds like it's still spring training for the umps. Why do you say that? I cant listen/watch the game, what's going on?

QUOTE (Reddy @ Apr 7, 2009 -> 12:39 PM) god damn this guy sucks. Who is he and what happened to Honda?

Just need to make sure I have a in the opening day thread...and a and a for good measure!

QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Apr 6, 2009 -> 01:02 PM) West of Halsted. Not every street. Like my street, you need the parking sticker, but some streets don't require it. You can also park on Morgan. Its a good distance of a walk, but if its nice out and you don't mind a little walk it's not to bad. I walk to games and it takes about 15 minutes. Ya, I lived off of 33rd/Halsted until I got married this year, I know those areas -- most don't know they exist.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 6, 2009 -> 12:32 PM) FYI, technically speaking, revolvers aren't semi-automatic even though they chamber the next round because they don't also eject the spent cartridge. But they're still scary!!!!! Leaving spent shell casings laying around is what will get you caught by Lt. Columbo, since he's in the neighborhood, he'll find the spent casings which will undoubtedly have your fingerprints on them from when you loaded it.

QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Apr 6, 2009 -> 10:16 AM) You can park for free. If you don't mind the walk. Where can one park for free if they don't mind the walk? This doesn't apply to me, since I have yearly neighborhood passes from my family who live in Bridgeport, but others on here may want to know about your secret free parking spots!

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Apr 3, 2009 -> 12:09 PM) I can't take you seriously when you say stuff like this. He goes from 88.5 in 5 games as a rookie to 88.1 in his first full season of starting to 86 when he's expected to throw the ball almost 40 times a game, and he's suddenly regressing. That, to me, looks like treading water at the worst, and considerign he did as well . Furthermore, if he had thrown for one more touchdown, his QB rating is 86.5. If he throws one fewer interception, it's 86.7. If throws one more touchdown and one fewer interception, he's suddenly at 87.2. You obviously cannot change his statistics, but that just goes to show how fickle the QB rating system really is. No matter how you cut it, his QB rating went down 3 years in a row...we call that a regression. Of course I was being an ass when I said it, but the numbers are the numbers. I think QB rating is a stupid stat anyway.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Apr 3, 2009 -> 11:52 AM) Wow. Heh.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Apr 3, 2009 -> 11:39 AM) And ive asked you to provide the "500 other qb's" who have posted above 85 qb ratings for their first 3 seasons. Hell even find 10 who have done it and turned out bad. You keep saying that the Bears overpaid, but so far you have done nothing to show why Cutler shouldnt be valued at 2 firsts and a third. I have no definitive numbers as to why Cutler shouldn't be valued at 2 first and a 3rd (and neckbeard), other than this was my personal opinion. It was never meant to be anything more than that. And as much as I'd love to go find QB's that were good their first few seasons and then fell off the map (because I'm sure many examples exist), I really don't care to do such research when we're arguing opinions.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 3, 2009 -> 11:24 AM) Skanberg Hahaha, awesome.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Apr 3, 2009 -> 11:02 AM) Youre changing your tune: No, I'm not, you're CONTINUING TO TAKE MY WORDS OUT OF CONTEXT. Key point: Out of context. I said for what they gave up for an 86 QB rating isn't "pretty good". PERIOD. My entire point was a what they got/gave comparison, nothing more. You continue to twist this, and I'm not allowing you to do so. Move on from this now. And I add to this -- no, I do not think HOF qbs are "good", I think they're "great". And in their third years, NONE of those guys were HOF QB's. They are NOW, but they weren't then. Again, you are basing everything you say off of what I said out of context. You've done this repeatedly, and again, you do it here. Once again, I'm not allowing you to take my words out of context. IN THE CONTEXT IN WHICH I SAID THE 86 IS NOT 'PRETTY GOOD' IT WAS ONLY PERTAINING TO WHAT THEY GAVE UP/GOT IN RETURN. And with hindsight being 20/20, of course anyone would trade for Marino, Montana, etc...but hindsight doesn't exist. It could have been 500 other QB's that were traded and never made it, so in those cases, no...nobody would trade for them. Seriously, get off of this now. Do you work in politics or something?! I'm done here. Now please, stop continuing to twist my words after I've repeatedly gone out of my way to clarify this.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Apr 3, 2009 -> 10:41 AM) I compared each of those qb's first 3 seasons to Cutlers. Only Young and Marino put up significantly better stats than Cutler. You can say "sophomore slump" for Farve, but the facts are his average rating over his first 3 years is: 82.7333 That is significantly lower than Cutler, not to mention Farve threw for significantly less yards. So go ahead and find all of these Qb's who have put up 3 consecutive years of 86+ qb ratings in their first 3 seasons. Bottom line is if you want to call Cutler only "good" at this point, it means there has only been 1 QB who is great in his first 3 seasons (Marino, Young was 30 in his second season). But hey you quoted Billy Madison, so you must be much smarter than me. I don't disagree with you when you say: Bottom line is if you want to call Cutler only "good" at this point, it means there has only been 1 QB who is great in his first 3 seasons (Marino, Young was 30 in his second season). Favre wasn't great his first few seasons. He was good. Cutler is also good. Again, I repeat, Cutler could someday be great, but that doesn't mean he will be. I repeat myself again -- what they Bears gave up in trade (IMO) was for great -- but what they got in exchange was good. Hey, it worked out for the Packers on the Favre deal...maybe it'll work out for the Bears too. I'm just not holding my breath. And yes, because I quoted Billy Madison I'm smarter than you. Not quite sure where that came from, but ok, I accept.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Apr 3, 2009 -> 10:14 AM) Urban sprawl is definitely an American thing. In Europe, the reason their social system works so much better is because their cities and towns are built around a center where people live, work, and shop together. So it's easier for them to get around, and mass transportation is much more logical. Here, once the industrial era hit, we just started building out farther and farther and sort of haphazardly. Their mass transit also has a lot less ground to cover -- our sheer land mass is insane when it comes to us being one interconnected country, where as most European countries are as big as a single state. If all we had to do was develop transit for IL, we'd probably have a much better system...but as it stands, we have a megaload of space they've never had to worry about. And I like it this way. But yes, we did spread out haphazardly.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Apr 3, 2009 -> 10:26 AM) If Cutler's ratings "rise dramatically" he will be in first ballot HOF range. Marino only had a career rating of 86.4. For a young QB 3 consecutive years of 86+ rating is pretty good, most of the guys who have done better are all in or going to the HOF. Keep in mind, I also said Cutler has all the tools to become great -- but right now he isn't great. I'm not saying he can't or won't someday be a HOF QB, but right now...he's not, and he's going to have a harder time with the Bears WR's...who are a joke.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Apr 3, 2009 -> 10:19 AM) I think it's pretty silly to judge the QB rating considering he has had no defense and had to try and do things on offense which he would never have had to do if he had a solid defense. I expect the rating to rise somewhat dramatically now that he doesn't feel as though he has to score every drive... I agree, but that's besides the point. My basic point stands. What the Bears gave up should have returned greatness, instead it returned pretty goodness.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Apr 3, 2009 -> 10:12 AM) YEAR TEAM G CMP ATT PCT YDS AVG TD LNG INT RAT Farve 2007 GNB 16 356 535 66.5 4155 7.8 28 82 15 95.7 Cutler 2008 DEN 16 384 616 62.3 4526 7.3 25 93 18 86.0 So 3 more tds and 3 less ints make Farve's stats "insane", where as Cutler is not even "pretty good" with a rating of 86. Furthermore, in Farve's first 3 seasons as a starting QB he posted 85.3, 72.2 and 90.7 qb rating. Cutler on the other hand posted 88.5, 88.1 and 86.0. In fact Farve's career passer rating is 85.4 Elways career passer rating is 79.9 and he did not put a rating over 85 until his 10th season in the league. Jim Kelly's career passer rating is 84.4 Troy Aikman's career passer rating is 81.6 So lets see the type of QB's with higher career passer ratings: Joe Montana career passer rating of 92.3, in Montana's first 3 seasons he put up 87.8, 88.4 and 88.0 Dan Marino career passer rating 86.4, Marino's first 3 seasons 96, 108.9 and 84.1 Steve Young career rating 96.8, Young's first season with TB 65.5, Young with 49ers at the age of 30 put up 101.8 and 107 ratings. Peyton Manning career rating 94.7, first 3 seasons 71.2, 90.7 and 94.7. Tom Brady career rating 92.9, first 3 seasons 86.5, 85.7 and 85.9 As of now Cutler's career rating is 87.1, through 3 seasons that means only Marino and Young had a significantly better QB ratings. Montana, Brady and Favre had very similar ratings to Cutler. So Im not sure how an 86 qb rating is not even pretty good when there are multiple HOF Qb's who have lower career ratings. Unless the HOF isnt very good? Since you tried, unsuccessfully, to take what I was trying to say out of context allow me to correct you. I meant nothing more than judging a QB on having running backs is a tricky situation depending on many other factors, such as WR's and Oline. I said nothing more. Now, since you wanted to compare Cutler to Favre, fine...let's do it. This should be easy. You said: So 3 more tds and 3 less ints make Farve's stats "insane", where as Cutler is not even "pretty good" with a rating of 86. I say: Favre was 38 years old when he did that. Also, I never said Cutler wasn't pretty good, I merely said what the Bears gave up to get "pretty good" should have gotten "great". Perhaps this was lost in translation, but I never meant it the way you took it. You said: Furthermore, in Farve's first 3 seasons as a starting QB he posted 85.3, 72.2 and 90.7 qb rating. Cutler on the other hand posted 88.5, 88.1 and 86.0. I say: So Favre regressed, went through a sophmore slump and rebounded huge. Cutler, on the other hand, regressed 3 straight years in a row. You say: (This is where you show a boatload of "career passer ratings" from a bunch of guys who played 15 year careers in the NFL while trying to compare them to Cutler's current rating when he's played 3 years). I say: Cutler's played three years. You do not get to pass go, no...you will go directly to jail on this one. You said: So Im not sure how an 86 qb rating is not even pretty good when there are multiple HOF Qb's who have lower career ratings. I say: Again, stop comparing 3 years of stats to someone who's posted these stats over 2 decades time. And again, stop twisting my words -- where did I say Cutler sucked and that he wasn't good?! You took my "pretty good" comment above and twisted it, when I made it clear that I think the Bears gave up WAY too much for "just" a 86 rating. Nothing more. I leave you with this: What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Apr 3, 2009 -> 10:02 AM) lol. Exactly. Commuting is a b****. Actually, this is something interesting I've observed that only Americans seem to do and think is normal. In every other country (in my experience), the rich/middle class live in the city and the poor live in the sub-urban areas. I guess Americans never stopped and wondered why...oh, that's right, maybe because it's much easier on the work/life balance to LIVE NEAR YOUR f***ING JOB than it is to drive all day and be stuck in traffic which undoubtedly increases your stress level. And why do we do it? More house for the money! Yes, enjoy that more house for the money you're never at because you're in a traffic jam driving home.