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QUOTE (LDF @ Apr 29, 2015 -> 12:00 PM) as a person who is applying for the job, you, the rhetorical you, should know what the salary will be including benefits, it was your decision right there to make it, if the pay wasn't enuf, then don't fill out the application. Not really the point I'm making. I'm saying that for a job so dangerous, if you want really good candidates, you can't offer them a low salary and crappy benefits.

QUOTE (bmags @ Apr 29, 2015 -> 11:50 AM) An interesting TNC article probably frames my mind here but "So, in saying that, is it a surprise that policing across the nation seems to be gathering more and more bad apples?" ARe there more bad apples? Are there more media? And a bigger question: Are we using our criminal justice system to respond to situations that may not be helpful to include law enforcement in? The web that law enforcement is used for every menial inner city function is insane, and small mistakes end up trapping people into jail for actions that would never feature jail time for a middle income area. Is jail helping there? Odds are it's just more media, but I'm sure the fact that they're underpaid and their recruitment process lowering their standards year after year...it's probably a slight combination of both.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Apr 29, 2015 -> 11:49 AM) I have a hard time believing that major cities don't get good candidates. CPD gets thousands of applicants for very few spots. They can pick and choose the good candidates. So, a government bureaucracy is going to pick just the best candidates? If so, why'd they lower their standards?

QUOTE (LDF @ Apr 29, 2015 -> 11:43 AM) on second thought..... i don't give a crap about not enuf money for salary and all that bull crap. they signed up to do a job. if they don't like it, quit. how many people are out of a job and would be extremely happy for a 40k+ a yr. there are security cops making 20k. people are begging for an opportunity to work. You have to care. Why would I risk my life for 40k and crappy benefits if I can make more elsewhere? Answer: I wouldn't...so you can take the people that would, instead.

QUOTE (bmags @ Apr 29, 2015 -> 11:10 AM) I think the question people need to ask when judging here is, do you think the citizens of Baltimore have a right to protest over another example of police brutality. And if that is yes, would you forfeit your act of protest if subset of the group were destructive? Also, for Chicago. For as useless and stupid as the riots may be in each literal aspect, Chicago could just as easily be facing this soon. Their police dept. does many of the same things as was listed in Ferguson. They literally had a torture ring. They have poor performers, and the climate is right now that a violent police situation may tear this city apart too. This isn't just a Baltimore problem. So my point is, Chicago needs to get ahead, and not just plan for riots. Like...try to solve these issues. Someone else highlighted this point in this thread, but I'd like to reiterate what they said. When speaking of Chicago, the requirements to become a police officer were lowered (it used to require 2 years of college, it now requires none), and as a known dangerous job that starts at about 43k a year, complete with a pension package that grows worse by the year (newer police pensions payouts are much lower than older), worse medical benefits, etc...it's hard to attract good people for such a dangerous job with crappy benefits. So, in saying that, is it a surprise that policing across the nation seems to be gathering more and more bad apples?

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 29, 2015 -> 10:14 AM) Police crackdowns and curfews aren't exactly good for business. edit: should point out that the rumor wasn't that they were starting or encouraging riots but that they were banding together to take out police officers. Start that same rumor up about the White Sox and O's, that the two teams were getting together to take out police and see how much traction it gets. One of those rumors is believable...the other is surely satire.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 29, 2015 -> 10:08 AM) speaking of going off the rails and complete blindness... Yes, you should get back up here on the tracks with us.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 29, 2015 -> 10:06 AM) 1) If you know what excluded middle means, why do you keep trying to say anyone who thinks that rumor is ridiculous must believe that these street gangs are now some sort of benevolent, crime-fighting organization? 2) It's not about "middle ground" or giving street gangs benefit of the doubt. These street gangs are s***ty, violent and destructive to their communities, but that doesn't mean we should take outlandish claims about them at face value. To pretend that a rumor that these gangs are trying to start riots isn't believable is what's stupid. Again...that's a believable f***ing rumor, no matter who started it.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 29, 2015 -> 10:04 AM) I am waiting for the inevitable post comparing the actions of the gangs to the actions of the police. You'll get posts and statistics about whatever fits their current agenda, but anything you counter them with they'll claim is made up. I mean...what the f***, we've devolved to a point where people are actually listening to the Crips and Bloods?

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 29, 2015 -> 09:59 AM) that's still not what excluded middle means. There are more possibilities than "now are crime fighting organizations that want to spread the word of peace" and that they're jointly coordinates riots and attacks on the BPD. Literally nobody has said the former, and recognizing how silly the latter is doesn't require it. Jesus, for the fifth f***ing time, I know what "excluded middle" means, and they STILL don't get the benefit of the doubt, no matter how much you attempt to smudge the line for that f***ing middle ground.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 29, 2015 -> 09:44 AM) that's not what excluded middle means. They don't get the benefit of the doubt of an "excluded middle", because of what/who they are, what they were founded on, and what they represent. That's the issue with reputation...you don't get to just flip a switch and change it. Reputation is earned, and over time, the one they've collectively earned disqualifies them from believability when it comes to that "excluded middle".

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 29, 2015 -> 09:27 AM) There's a big excluded middle between "now are crime fighting organizations that want to spread the word of peace" and "Bloods and Crips working together to start riots!!". ...and the believable one is the latter. I'm sure you're right though...organizations founded on crime and extreme violence are on a peace keeping mission now.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 29, 2015 -> 08:50 AM) Well to be fair...the "the Bloods and Crips are creating riots!" rumor was posted in here as well. For rumors to be believed, they have to have a believable subject matter. Someone whispering to me, "You know, these two well known gangs, notorious for criminal activity and violence are helping create an atmosphere that leads to riots." ...call me crazy, but that's kind of believable. So forgive me, but when these gangs, which I understand are just all really great people now, tell me they were just trying to keep the peace...forgive me when I laugh. I'm sure the Bloods and Crips, after decades of murderous violence have suddenly seen the error of their ways, and now are crime fighting organizations that want to spread the word of peace. /s

Some of you need to take a few steps back and take a few deep breaths...you've fallen off the rails in this thread. Reading this thread from the first page to the last, it went from a conversation to a contest as to who can be the most outlandish, defending one side or the other with complete blindness to the opposing view.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 28, 2015 -> 09:48 PM) "those kids were set up" http://gawker.com/those-kids-were-set-up-1700716306 Really? Gawker? And holy hell every thing that person said was stupid.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 28, 2015 -> 10:31 PM) But one tweet got particular attention from activists. Patrisse Cullors, one of the co-founders of #BlackLivesMatter and the director of the Truth and Reinvestment Campaign at the Ella Baker Center for Human Rights, said she was most concerned about a letter the Baltimore Police Department tweeted that indicated a "credible threat" of violence from rival gangs including the Bloods and Crips. https://twitter.com/BaltimorePolice/status/...711198241595395 "I think there is the conversation that happens on social media from law enforcement in many places that some people would say are just lies," Cullors said. "They are putting out information on the one hand and on the other hand propaganda." Baltimore police didn't respond to requests for comment on their social media strategy. http://zh.scribd.com/doc/263262264/Credible-Threat (If you note in the comments, already twitter followers were asking exactly where/how this "credible threat" originated, for some type of evidence or proof besides taking the words of the press release at face value) http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/28/politics/bal...edia/index.html What a LOAD OF CRAP. Now the public is discovering that gangs never said such a thing. JUST MORE LIES FROM BALTIMORE PD, but what can you expect? They've been spinning this for all it's worth in order to justify the VIOLENCE they have perpetrated against Baltimore civilians FOR YEARS. This is just MORE BULLs*** from Baltimore PD. DON'T BUY INTO IT!! The people perpetrating the VIOLENCE are the very same provocateurs that appeared in Ferguson last year. The people throwing rocks and bottles AREN'T EVEN FROM BALTIMORE - they've been bused-in, and they've been instructed to INCITE VIOLENCE. THEY ARE NOT Baltimore Civilians! Don't buy into the HYPE, people! Baltimore PD is full of s*** and LIES. Whether ANY of that is true or not, the fact that some (or even many) in the African-American community believe it to be possible or even probable shows just how shattered the relationship is...and how little trust there actually is between both sides. http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/...ory.html#page=1 Analysis of the gang involvement/non-involvement in the riots....some are questioning the "glorifying" of gangs by making public appearances with them constantly in an attempt to demonstrate they're not collaborating or working to "take out" the police You seem to have some sort of fascination of believing whatever you read on Twitter, or whatever else you can read as long as it says exactly what you want it too. If you want to question mainstream media, or even the Baltimore PD, fine...question them...I won't blame you. But these other sources? You're choosing to believe the Bloods and Crips, along with a bunch of opportunistically offended "people that care" on Twitter, who have less credibility than the mainstream media and the Baltimore PD combined. They call that confirmation bias.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 28, 2015 -> 10:23 PM) Exactly what I’ve been saying. I follow a bunch of activisits on twitter because I’m cool like that, and they were literally predicting that this was going to happen. Once you started to see the police’s actions, it was pretty clear. This wasn’t a reactive move on BPD’s part, it was an offensive. And it worked like a charm because white America is now shocked that a CVS was burned down and a baseball game postponed, so they don’t give a f*** about the man killed in police custody. Well played, Baltimore Police. To think I wanted to be one of those f***ers back in the day. Oh, to be a college student again. from the comments section there at gawker...entertaining reading http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/social...rss=rss_traffic Social media helped Balt police plan for mayhem Ahhh, yes, the trustworthy "activists" on Twitter. This is the biggest load of stupidity I've seen posted in a LONG time. Congratulations, you've won the Internet.

QUOTE (Hawkfan @ Apr 28, 2015 -> 08:04 AM) Out of active posters, who has been banned the most days? Me.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 23, 2015 -> 01:54 PM) The pen is mightier! (walks away) You forgot the drop the mic.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 23, 2015 -> 10:30 AM) The real Geddy actually did attend a Sox game in 2013. He was sitting behind the Sox dugout in the front row. Steve Stone mentioned him. He's a baseball nut. Yea, I know, he's attended a few from my recollection. Baseball aside, I can't wait to see Rush this June.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 23, 2015 -> 09:30 AM) I've been to a couple games this season. When the crowd isn't going to be at least 25k, I don't think they even check for upper deck seats if you want to go to the lower level. How did I miss Geddy Lee attending multiple Sox games this year.

QUOTE (Tex @ Apr 23, 2015 -> 08:56 AM) Interesting. Then one of the authors we have done work for would be considered an employer, he paid my wife as an employee. (There was a unique circumstance that helped us both out) This will also include anyone who employs full time housekeepers, nannies, etc. I think those are all still considered contractors.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Apr 23, 2015 -> 09:19 AM) Yeah, on paper this bullpen is better than '05, but the seasons that Cotts and Politte had are going to be hard for even the most talented relievers to reproduce. Not sure about that... After Shingo went down, our "closer", Dustin Hermanson, had a 0.00 era for like 80 games before his back started hurting and Jenks took over. Even on paper, a 0.00 ERA for that many games is pretty damn good.

QUOTE (LDF @ Apr 23, 2015 -> 09:30 AM) in all seriousness, at least for me, it is sCrubs, Yanks, and Det. i love the idea of getting a new rival, it adds to the flavor of the game. I'm not a fan of Boston fans -- of any kind -- regardless of sport. They used to be tolerable, but ever since this era, they've ceased being the "Red Sox" and have become the "Red Yankees", and their fans act like they're not...which makes them extra annoying. I also hate everyone in our division. And I care about the Cubs about 3 times a year. Edit: Like last year, when I saw people saying, "I hope the Royals win, since they're in our division", I was like...pfffft...f*** that, I hope they get shelled, BECAUSE they're in our division and I hate them.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Apr 21, 2015 -> 03:23 PM) You are picking this game to start? Why don't you pick a Sale start to begin the turn around. Because someone other than our one proven winner has to convince me.