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QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 10:35 AM) I find this hard to believe with apps being so prevalent on phones. And does everyone know the inner workings/power of the components of their phone? No, but so what? I know little about the technology in my car. That doesn't mean I don't care about what my car has/is made of. Ok, a few of them play Angry Birds, too.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 10:31 AM) Fair point. I understand exactly why they're hanging on to IR, it's because like I said, it allows them to make remote controls (and sell them). The proliferation of phones/tablets with WiFi/BT capabilities would render the remote control business obsolete almost overnight. But this is why if Apple (or Google) enters the TV industry, they will get credited with using WiFi or BT to "invisibly control" their televisions/receivers from any device they own, even remotely, and it will get called "revolutionary", when it something Samsung could have implemented a long time ago...and given how prolific their own phones/tablets are, I'm surprised they haven't thought of this. Nope, they'll wait for Apple to do it, then do it themselves and wonder why people call them copycats.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 10:23 AM) You can't make a remote with NFC, it wouldn't make any sense. It's a close range technology. Bluetooth can also have range issues. If you want a bluetooth or WiFi enabled remote, be prepared to charge/change batteries often. That's the part you are missing. I don't WANT a remote. I want the OPTION. For the people that don't already have a tablet or phone that uses WiFi/BT, they can use the crappy remote the TV comes with. But for the majority of the rest of us, we could use our phones to accomplish this, without needing to set up our entertainment centers with LOS in mind.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 10:24 AM) You guys clearly did not have the great time in college that I did. I had a great time in college...just had a far better time after college.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 10:18 AM) IR doesn't require a constant connection. It actually uses less power. I'm not sure about Bluetooth LE vs. IR in terms of power draw, but I'm fairly certain WiFi will use way more power than IR. The point is, you are ALREADY connected to that WiFi network and/or have BT enabled on your phone...so this is irrelevant. And on the other end of that connection, if your TV is off, it's drawing no power anyway.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 10:06 AM) Can manufacturers make a TV that uses bluetooth instead? Yeah, but it wouldn't make a lot of sense for them considering IR does the job just fine. This is where we differ in opinion. IR does not do the job just fine, it DID the job just fine at one point, but not anymore. I'd love to be able to enclose my ENTIRE entertainment center, so it's completely hidden from view/not taking up space, without requiring any sort of line of site to use, which is something IR cannot do. A simple implementation of BT or WiFi accomplishes this. BT and WiFi, unlike NFC, are already everywhere...the reason these manufactures don't want to kill IR is because they want to sell universal remotes, and they know a lot of devices don't come with IR. Once they move to WiFi/BT, they realize everyone will be able to use their phones/tablets to accomplish these tasks, in an even better way, and then they have to close down their entire s***ty remote control divisions.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 10:06 AM) On a serious note (I hope you've noticed that I haven't been serious for the past 20 min), almost every TV still uses IR. Nobody uses a floppy anymore. Can manufacturers make a TV that uses bluetooth instead? Yeah, but it wouldn't make a lot of sense for them considering IR does the job just fine. They won't be, though. Just because most TV manufactures are lazy and hang on to an aged technology doesn't mean we should embrace it, but rather, we should push them toward using something BETTER. BT OR WIFI could do that same job these days, only better, and with LESS power consumption. How often do we have to worry about the placement of our remote devices because they require IR? I know I have to sometimes sit up and point my remote directly at something for it to work, and that's with a Logitech universal...why is this still necessary in 2013? It's a dream in comparison controlling my AppleTV with my phone, which doesn't require LOS, or me sitting in a specific position to do it. I don't even have to have my AppleTV visible to use it ... it'd be REAL nice in 2013 if I could enclose my entertainment center and only show the TV, but I can't, because a few of the devices require f***ing IR...STILL. Same with controlling my Nest thermostat...it's really nice being able to remote control my AC/Heat when I'm not even home. Why does seem like Apple will have to come out with a TV that uses WiFi or BT (they will), in order for other TV manufactures to do it? It's time to dump IR, BEFORE it takes newcomer Apple to show them the way and get credited with doing something "revolutionary" that they should have done a long damn time ago.

QUOTE (Tex @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 10:04 AM) The first time I saw anyone mess with a bar's tv was with a wristwatch universal remote circa 1990. I figured that ran it's course during the last century. But everything old is new again. And what's with the cracks about "adults" and how they use their phones? I'm not really taking a crack at adults and how they use their phones, since I am one...I just think there is a sect of the younger crowd that cares how much their phone can do, even if they don't actually do those things other than to show people they can. This is how CHW comes across to me...he can do remote IR, NFC, etc., but never actually uses the functions other than to brag that he can and to make fun of people with iPhones, since their phones CAN'T do those things, that means their phone sucks, and they suck for buying it...even though it does everything they actually want it for.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Oct 28, 2013 -> 11:13 AM) Don't miss college? Ugh. I'd give my right nut to go back and do it all over again. Hardly any responsibility, hanging out with friends 24/7, being high or drunk 24/7, young co-eds, etc. etc. Nope, don't miss it at all. My 30's > 20's > 10's...and I'm hoping my 40's carry on the tradition.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 09:54 AM) Yeah, cause screw things like NFC. There's WiFi everywhere! More like, screw NFC because BT is superior.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 09:48 AM) God I cannot wait for that 30 second commercial spot about how revolutionary the iPhone IR blaster is. That sound your hearing in the background is the sound of losing on the price is right. All of Apples ecosystem works via wifi, so there is no need for IR anymore, though some of their devices still have some remnants of it leftover. That said, Apple has a track record of getting rid of older tech faster than anyone else. They were one of the first to lose the floppy, and now they're one of the first to discard optical, too. I see IR in that same arena...a useful technology that's been superseded by an even better one. Yes, there will be hangers on to older technology, but for the most part, everyones catching on.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 09:47 AM) Well, according to shack, 'normal' people don't care about things like phones. Well, he's right, most adults don't. All they care is whatever phone they have does the very few things they use it to do, which is almost primarily text. So long as it does that, they don't care. Most of the people I know with iPhones or Androids (top end models), do nothing but text or make calls...all the rest of what the device is capable of they don't know, and don't care about.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 09:45 AM) Joe's majoring in journalism...not computer science. And one of the major tools used in modern journalism is computers/phones, so being informed on the tools you use will probably be beneficial. What you are saying is it's ok for them to be ignorant about the things they will HAVE to use in order to do what they're studying to do...and um, well, it's not ok.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 09:42 AM) They're only saying these things because it's not a feature on the iPhone. No, we really aren't.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 09:43 AM) They're 'normal' people, they don't care or know about technology. Especially not technology in a phone, that's just way too abnormal for them. Yet they go to a school to learn a trade that uses nothing but technology. That's like going to school to be a mechanic but not caring about cars.

http://noviiremote-deluxe.en.softonic.com/pocketpc http://tv-remote-101.en.softonic.com/palm Just saying...

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 05:45 AM) Old Man syndrome This has nothing to do with people seeing new tech and going "old man syndrome" and saying that before Google Maps existed, regular paper maps were just as good. No, this is more akin to him posting about a new feature he just discovered called Google Maps. In 2013.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Oct 29, 2013 -> 07:54 PM) Jesus christ you are uppity. My school is actually one of the most state of the art in terms of video production, so can it, dickweed. I guess I didn't realize that for decades now cell phones had the ability to take over an IR frequency. You must have also pissed all over the first time you saw a phone have an level tool app, you know, since levels have been around for over 350 years. Apparently, your school is state of the art, but the students that attend it are anything but since IR amazes them.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 12:50 AM) Yeah, and maps have existed pretty much since the dawn of civilization, so the fact that we have them in our phones is no major feat at all I guess. How do you not understand that having something exist, and having something exist inside of a cell phone are different things? I think it's stupid that this somehow is bothering a few of you, as if I had been proclaiming I invented this myself. It's not bothering any of us, it's just that you proclaim to be so tech aware, and something as simple as IR and remote control software amazes you and your top technological schoolmates. Also, IR on a phone isn't new, nor is remote control software on a phone, that's also existed for well over a decade...my Windows Mobile 4.5 phone in 2002 could do this.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Oct 29, 2013 -> 06:20 PM) Aww, don't get all mature on us just because the iPhone can't do it. Would probably be cool if it wasn't something we were doing in 1995.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Oct 29, 2013 -> 05:49 PM) They thought it was awesome. I obviously didn't turn it off during a lecture, I'm not stupid. But before class started I turned it on, which freaked them and the students out. Then I explained it was my phone and the were amazed. My prof said I should go down the hallway turning projectors on and off scaring teachers. Technology is amazing. Seriously, this stunt amazed people? Easy crowd to impress since this was one of Steve Wozniak's original pranks in the early 80's, and we did it ourselves in the early 90s. TIL you're school is apparently decades behind what technology has been doing ... for decades.

QUOTE (Jake @ Oct 29, 2013 -> 04:33 PM) Google Hangouts to start rolling out with SMS integration and other new features today I read somewhere that Mavericks was going to make it more difficult to use non-iCloud services. Is that right? Seems no different to me. Mavericks ties into iCloud much better than previous versions of 10, but it's not required.

QUOTE (Tex @ Oct 29, 2013 -> 01:16 PM) For me it means I would have 1000+ contacts, with over 900 I will never contact again. Between previous jobs and Boy Scouts Google just loads too many. Worst still is any link with Facebook. So then delete the contacts you no longer want.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Oct 29, 2013 -> 01:25 PM) lol, seriously? I don't think my professor will do anything but laugh, I'm not worried. If that's all he does, not a big deal, but IF he decides to be a dick, he can be. Also...like someone else said...that'd be funny if you were 14.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Oct 29, 2013 -> 01:04 PM) So this IR remote thing is awesone. Got all my TVs connected in less than 10 seconds. I plan on seeing if I can highjack the projector in class later today and f*** with the professors who don't understand technology. Looks like I'm getting out of class early today! Just don't get caught, it's a suspendable offense and is considered hacking.