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QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jan 11, 2017 -> 10:32 AM) Let em keep talking, they don't have Q yet. Sad they aren't smart enough to realise that by keeping their precious Bell and Meadows off the table, they are making it easier for Houston and Atlanta to make offers that can beat Pitt's offer. Was hoping for a trade with Houston anyway and this just makes me desire that even more. So they have a desirable prospect who will hopefully one day be a special player in the big show. We get it. The White Sox have a desirable all-star starting pitcher who is 27 years old, durable and post #s better than guys making $30 million a season. If you want something special, you need to give something special. It's that simple.

I keep seeing tweets about the Yankees and how they should 'hold onto' their prospects and go for it in a few years? Don't they know that Q is only 27 and has 4 years of contract control? Let's say they give up one of Torres/ Frazier and 2 more in their top 20, wouldn't they still be in great shape prospect wise moving forward? The kids on the main roster were knocking on the door for a wildcard spot last season. Can you imagine if they add Q to the mix this year? I don't know.... the Yankees are a perfect match for this Q trade. Now that Rosenthal tweeted out the Astros and Pirates as potential front runners, I wonder if Cashman panics and gives in?

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 1, 2017 -> 08:04 AM) JFC, Chris Sale was traded less than one month ago, give me a f***ing break already. It's January first and people are talking about the rebuild failing already and it started 25 days ago. Yes. We all need to be patient here. Very, very patient. They traded 2 of their top 3 chips at the winter meetings. They left the winter meetings leaving a dialogue open for the services of Q among others. Hahn isn't going to just give Q away. He indeed wants a return similar to what they got back for the Sale trade. That's a teams #1 prospect, a #3 or 4 and two additional prospects in their top 20. Seems fair to me. I think one of the Pirates or Yankees will cave soon. I'm calling it now: the Yankees will eventually cave and we will ALL be extremely happy with the return.

Looks like this thing is getting pretty hot. I knew the Yankees would eventually get involved. Since when have they ever sit back and watched Boston outduel them in an offseason? Between that and pressure from the fanbase, YES Network and Steinbreiner, this is the perfect scenario for the White Sox. They have a tremendous system. One in which Hahn can truly get a fair return for Quintana. Throwing Robertson into a package deal to me simply means the Sox want Torres AND Frazier back in a deal-- gosh, if this happens- the White Sox farm system becomes the best in baseball!

QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Dec 9, 2016 -> 02:50 PM) Based on the Sale/Eaton trades, I'm semi-confident that the Sox ask is Martes, Tucker, Fisher, and Reed. If they don't get it, they should keep Q for the interim. Very plausible a team is even more desperate at the deadline & I see little injury risk for Quintana. If we've learned anything from Cashman over the years, it's that he HATES playing 2nd fiddle to the Red Sox in the AL East. The Holiday & Chapman signings tell me that they definitely do NOT intend on rebuilding. They do have a stock pile of really nice prospects-- thanks to in part of the Chapman and Miller deals. With that said, I'm sure Hahn would LOVE to get his hands on Clint Frazier, Gleybor Torres AND Gary Sanchez. If the Yankees really want Quintana back, they better pony up. Hell, i'm sure Hahn would even throw David Robertson into the package. With the Astros seemingly holding onto their prospects like a creepy crazy cat woman hoarding wild felines, I expect the Yankees coming out of the woodwork for Q and this would be a tremendous scenario for the White Sox' system.

It seems like the Astros and Quintana are the perfect match. I wouldn't be surprised to see a deal made today. Outside of Bregman (assuming we can't pry him away), what kind of return package would you guys like to see?

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 08:15 AM) I don't disagree with you about Turner, I'm just saying I think Hahn and Co are holding out for Turner still. I think if the discussion was about the remaining prospects, and Giolito and Robles were agreed upon, they would have been hammering this thing out last night. The absence of rumors overnight suggests that did not happen. Not quite sure there is as big of a difference between Turner's perceived value and Benintendi's, but you certainly seem to feel as though Benintendi is a possible get while Turner is not. Is there really a huge difference between a package of Benintendi/Devers/Kopech and Turner/Giolito/Robles? I'd take the latter, but I think some here would choose the former. If Hahn can get either of these packages, I think White Sox fans would be ecstatic. I agree with you in regards to Hahn holding out for a headliner who is pretty much at the MLB level already.

How long ago was Giolito's Tommy John surgery? That's a bit of a red flag.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 08:44 PM) Christopher Crawford ‏@Crawford_MILB 9s9 seconds ago Carlos Rodon, Luc Giolito, Reynaldo Lopez, Carson Fulmer, Alec Hansen, Zack Burdi. Strikeouts are pretty cool. Strikeouts are cool. But so are position players.

QUOTE (South Sider @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 08:41 PM) Talks of a deal nearing a conclusion puts pressure on other teams like Houston or Boston to start ponying up and quit with the "untouchables" crap. Or go home without Sale. Speaking of "untouchables" I would be more comfortable with this deal if Turner was in it.

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Dec 3, 2016 -> 07:34 PM) What does that even mean? I'm getting sick of the Cubs being the apparent model for everyone else and benchmark of how teams are constructed. Well it pains to me to say, they are the World Series Champions and with that young core-- they will be very good for the next 3-4 seasons. Normally the team that most recently wins it all becomes the most attractive model. In this case-- its unique because the Cubs were very transparent about their plans early on-- pretty much indirectly admitting to their fansbase they planned on tanking for multiple seasons to obtain high draft picks and seek out quality prospects. When Theo took over in 2012, the Cubs had nowhere near the assets that the White Sox currently have to offer. If Hahn does this right, the White Sox farm system and main roster will be very fun to watch in the very near future. Listen, I know not all the prospects the White Sox get in return will stick-- but as important as quality of returns-- it doesn't hurt to acquire quantity as well. Chris Getz-- you will be very busy the next few years. Don't screw up the development of our incoming prospects and high draft picks. With this accelerated rebuild, I want my favorite team ready to compete for a World Series by 2019-- 100 years after the sad blacksox scandal. How sweet would that be? "100 years after throwing a WS, the White Sox win it all. Okay, sorry. I'm a bit of a baseball romantic.

I wonder if Houston would be interested in Abreu as well? If that's the case-- a Springer, Bergman, Reed + more isn't out of the question. I'm happy Houston is jumping in on the action. I'm tired of hearing about DD's stubbornness in Boston and personally, I'm not the biggest fan of anything the Dodgers will offer.

QUOTE (fathom @ Nov 23, 2016 -> 09:55 AM) Hahn is just the best Triumvirate of stupidity=KW, Hahn and Jerry. I have this horrible feeling that Hahn will feel the desperation and deal Sale for a very underwhelming package. I have zero trust in these guys to run a successful rebuild.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Nov 20, 2016 -> 12:20 AM) Jeff PassanVerified account ‏@JeffPassan Sale, Quintana, Frazier and Robertson fits what the Dodgers need. And White Sox like Bellinger, Verdugo, DeLeon, Calhoun and Yasiel Puig. The best player in that package is Bellinger. And even he doesn't impress me all that much. We are talking about Chris Sale here.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 19, 2016 -> 06:07 PM) This sounds like the no offers of three years or longer last offseason nonsense. Why we would even put idiotic stuff like that out there as a floating/planted media rumor is beyond me. How about we finally get some results? I agree. They simply can't make a decision or focus on one direction or when they do actually pick a direction, they fail to execute-- like all the time. Seriously, how do they still have a job? Their rationale for not making trades at the deadline in 2015 was they felt they "were still in it" Boy that was horrible judgment. Not to mention they half assed another winter of fixing the team- bringing in Frazier and a bunch cheap scraps. In 2016 at the trade deadline-- their rationale for not beginning the rebuild was that "teams in the race were unwilling to deal from their main roster to obtain high needs-- we will have more trade options in the offseason when there is an even playing field" or "it was hard to deal veterans with more than one year left on their contracts... Seriously? Nobody wanted Frazier or Melky? Seriously, what will their next excuse be for failing to operate a successful rebuilding offseason? "Nothing panned out so we will gage the market again in July"

I'm sorry but i'm not okay with JUST Benetendi, Kopech and Devers for Sale. Perhaps for Quintana I would accept this deal. However, for Sale-- I want Moncada, Devers AND Benetendi. You can keep Kopech. We need position players who can hit. Pitching should be the least of the team's concerns right now.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 07:14 PM) It seems like the trend is organizations are reluctant to trade valuable position players when it involves aces. They prefer to over pay for pitching in the free agent market. And that's why a team will give the White Sox a haul for Sale and/or Q. The market for free agent pitchers is trash.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 11:11 AM) Why it doesn't scare me? We've sucked since 2008. Yep. No morale victories here. KW and Hahn have failed mightily.

The only thing that scares me is letting Hahn/KW run this rebuild. However, it's a breath of fresh air in knowing they are FINALLY doing it.

At this point, I'm assuming most MLB clubs will express interest. It's a matter of which team has the assets and the guts to pull the trigger.

With all the attention surrounding Sale and Q possibly being dealt, I can see something else occurring first. Like an Abreu deal or an Eaton deal. A deal like that would officially signal to a rebuild. This will essentially get other executives excited about a possibility of getting Sale or Q which can start an early bidding war between GMs.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Nov 9, 2016 -> 09:26 AM) I am all for a rebuild, but have no confidence Kenny and Rick are the guys to do it. The Sox scouting department for evaluating talent is just abysmal. Case and point Avi being a 5 tool player. We all know the time is now for a rebuild. However, I agree-- it's really hard to trust Hahn and KW to get the necessary prospects back in return. I guess the only thing we can somewhat hold our hat onto is that Nick Hostetler seems to have a real good pulse on prospects. Since they will be avoiding the veteran acquisition route, this may work out after all. If i'm Hahn, i'm putting all my trust in Hostetler's judgement.

QUOTE (Charlie Haeger's Knuckles @ Nov 8, 2016 -> 01:37 PM) So I guess RickyGM will be vindicated for not doing jack s*** during the 2016 trade deadline?? Only time will tell. They have put themselves in a very tempting opportunity to completely re-haul the state of the franchise. The organization currently lacks depth, after a few trades this winter-- that can change dramatically.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Nov 8, 2016 -> 03:49 PM) If done correctly with some of our huge trade chips and the FA class in 2018, we can compete in 2019. Hahn mentioned a few times last August that the team will likely step away from the 'half-measured' approach. Either they will go ALL IN (which would be silly with this free agent class) Or they are rebuilding. Something that is long overdue. With this many assets to sell off, a 2019 target year does seem realistic. You would be selling high on Sale, Q, Eaton and Abreu and also can get reasonable returns for 1 year rentals: Frazier and Melky.

If the White Sox are dangling Sale and/or Q at the beginning of these GM meetings, they literally do control the fate of the entire offseason. This can turn into a mega bidding war that can benefit the White Sox for a very long time. The pitching market sucks. Time to finally sell high on players, in this case-- very very high!