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QUOTE (Lillian @ Sep 12, 2016 -> 04:03 AM) If the Sox were to acquire Billy Butler, to be their DH, I think that might be the last straw for me. How would Butler do anything to fix this pathetic offense? They need one really good hitter, with a high OBP, legitimate power, and preferably left handed. You insert that guy into the top 2/3 of our current line up and you have suddenly transformed an inept lineup, to a dangerous, effective run scoring offense. Billy Butler is not that guy: Eaton Anderson Melky Abreu New DH (preferably Left Handed) Frazier That line up would be more than adequate, with the right DH. The problem is that no one seems to know who might fill that hole, or how to acquire him. It would be ideal if there were a player in the last year of his contract, playing for a new lucrative deal in 2018. He might be affordable, available and highly motivated. Then we could let him walk, with or without a qualifiying offer, at the end of the year. Signing Butler definitely seems like a white sox move. I have zero faith in this organization at the moment. I mean what is their plan? Are they still on this oddball phantom '3 year plan'? Because 2/3rds of it have been a complete nightmare. What is the point of letting Robin play out the contract? Apparently they have zero faith in Renteria as well? I hate to say it, Mr. Riensdorf-- there is no chance in hell this team wins a championship next season. (Not to get all Vince McMahon on you but, enough is enough!) The free agent pool is not good at all. The farm system is in very poor shape. Yet, they refuse to trade their hottest chips to fill multiple needs. Can someone please tell me how the hell this team is a contender in 2017?

Sounds about right. About 67% of White Sox fans on here think we should sell. 70% of us dang well know they will be buyers this winter. It's too bad there wasn't a 'buy on the cheap' option. The Sox LOVE to go bargain shopping for has beens.

QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Aug 20, 2016 -> 01:59 PM) Way too many questionable Draft picks, bad trades, and bad deals have cost the White Sox a lot of money and set back the franchise in terms of becoming more competitive. Assuming that heads will roll, who might Reinsdorf interview to replace Kenny Williams and Hahn? According to the boss himself, KW and Hahn are in lockstep and that the 'plan' will be clear this offseason. In other words-- they will both return and there will be more retooling and half measures heading into 2017.

Not that I hate Hawk, but does anyone else get the feeling that as long as Jerry is around-- every non-player type role within the organization will also be around? There are simply no consequences at this stage of Jerry's life.

Didn't catch that. But does anybody believe the front office is functional? They obviously have no clue how to put together a playoff team, let alone a .500 team. Between that and the crappy farm system--this organization is in a very bad spot. As long as triumvirate of stupidity is here- we are hopeless.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Aug 11, 2016 -> 08:28 PM) Why would Reinsdorf sell? Apparently his son who would inherit the Bulls and White Sox only wants to maintain the Bulls. With Jerry Reinsdorf's age getting up there, it comes to no surprise that talks of a sale are starting to pop up. Especially with White Sox not being close to a World Series Championship. In regards to them possibly leaving town. I just dont see that happening. The sweetheart stadium deal and the fact hey pocket so much revenue , which includes parking -- new ownership will be licking their chops at an opportunity to own this ball club. I just hope when Riensdorf actually does sell, he sells it to a competitive group that wants compete with the Northsiders for city supremacy.

QUOTE (bmags @ Aug 10, 2016 -> 03:40 PM) Let me be first to put this lineup out there: 2017 White Sox LF - Puig CF - Gomez RF - Eaton 3b-Frazier SS - Anderson 2b - LORRIE 1b - Abreu DH - Melky C - Matt Wieters Retool and Recycle. The White Sox way.

QUOTE (dmbjeff @ Aug 10, 2016 -> 03:32 AM) While I'd love them to compete in 2017, imagine them spending $50 million of 3 big FA's. What kinda contracts are they giving out to sign them, 4-5 year deals for guys in their 30's? I have a feeling I know how that works out in the end. Then in 2018, you have to figure out a way to replace your 3B, 2B and LF as they will all be free agents. Throw another $50 million at it? Throw AAAA talent at those spots and hope they work? Sign cheap over the hill vets? They need to sell. They need to move Sale and Q for huge hauls, and be ready to compete for 2018 and beyond. You are 100% correct.They cannot keep patching up holes on this roster with overpriced free agents or shall we say-- bargain shop for B and C level free agents out to prove something. And can the White Sox afford to give up any more prospects via trade? This farm system is so thin it's scary.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 02:40 PM) What does this mean exactly? They want him to or don't want him to? There's a 99.9% chance he won't exercise (the .1% is in case he pulls a Laroche and just quits). And, yes, they did deal a good piece for a declining pitcher, but that's a sunk cost. My question is will JR kick back the $20 mill he received from San Diego; because no one wants Shields at full salary. We all know Shields will not opt out of his contract. Unless he hates ridiculous amounts of money. Money he will not see in the open market. Another bone headed acquisition by the Hahn/KW death machine. What really grinds my gears is that the White Sox were in an incredible tail spin when they acquired him AND Shields himself was going through the worst rough patch of his career. Golly gee, that's exactly what a team in disarray needs! Hahn had an opportunity to redeem himself by selling high before the trade deadline but he failed... again. His excuse "He is under contract control for more than one season" and apparently teams shy away from that midseason, which is new to me?!? In most cases, isn't that more attractive for buyers at trade deadlines? We all know this team needs to hit the reset button. These half measures and retooling attempts have been crap. Can JR just man up and do whats best for this organization and let the Hahn/KW death machine go? Sadly, I doubt it. Status quo reigns supreme on the Southside

QUOTE (InTheDriversSeat @ Aug 7, 2016 -> 03:42 AM) Rick Hahn talked to Conner McKnight on White Sox Weekly (Saturday, August 6th), on WLS radio. The interview can be heard at this link: http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/cws/video/v55705...hite-sox-weekly . I love how he mentioned that the position player development in the organization is making progress as it helped them acquire Shields and Frazier. So let me get this straight, the few decent players you did produce-- were sent off for 30+ year old veterans and that's a good thing? How is this a sign of progress within the organization? You made the weak farm system weaker and your main roster still sucks. He can spin it however he wants-- this team is in a big mess and he along with KW are the reasons why. When he took over in 2013 and started acquirering young talent-- I was like "Finally!" Then 2015 happened and he turned into KW 2.0-- I'm sorry but he needs to go. We should not accept this as a fanbase . It has been 8 freakin years.

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Aug 5, 2016 -> 10:34 PM) Why is it that the umps always seem to oblige the opposing managers but refuse to review when the Sox request? It's like they have no respect for Ventura. Does anyone respect him as a manager? We are better off with a potted plant on the bench.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Aug 5, 2016 -> 09:44 PM) He's getting there certainly. It's a shame because I like the guy. I've agreed with most of his moves they just haven't worked. It's getting to the point where I'm hoping they stood pat with the exception of the Duke trade because there's going to be sweeping changes. Wishful thinking but I'm hoping. That's what I'm hoping for as well. The KW/Hahn machine put this organization in a horrible spot for various reasons throughout the years. It is time for some wholesale changes. The problem is, I just cannot imagine JR making these moves at this stage of his life. Anyone notice that he no longer discusses whitesox baseball with the media? Is it pure avoidance or does he truly accept the status quo? If it is the status quo, he needs to sell his majority share now.

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Aug 4, 2016 -> 10:53 AM) No way in hell. He'd want to bring in ALL his own staff/coaches. That doesn't play around these parts. Sox only hire desperate people. So sad but so true. It's pretty pathetic how invincible Coop and KW are. That 2005 championship bought them both lifetime contracts with this organization. Note to the new manager (Sandy Alomar)-- don't even think about bringing in your own pitching coach. Not that I blame Coop for this crapstorm of an organization, it's just ridiculous how content everyone upstairs is with the status quo. When you fail over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over (8 years since last playoff birth) and your approach is relatively the same (retool), something is definitely wrong here.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Aug 4, 2016 -> 08:44 AM) I'd be totally fine with Sandy Alomar as manager. Anybody is better than Robin and at least Sandy has some coaching experience, however for once can they hire a guy with previous successful MLB managing experience?

QUOTE (daggins @ Aug 4, 2016 -> 07:29 AM) Was this confirmed? I'd do Hawkins-like backflips if EVERYONE'S contracts were up after this horrible crap season. It doesn't mean they won't be back, but it lessens the likelihood, i'd think. They mentioned it on ESPN radio. It could be one of the reasons why they made minimal moves at the deadline. Perhaps Jerry has finally seen enough and told KW and Hahn to stand pat because he plans on cleaning house upstairs? I'm not sure Mr. Loyalty himself will do this at the age of 80, but has there ever been a better time to do it?

Outcome 1) If Hahn and KW are here for some reason, expect some more retooling. Sign some old, washed up veterans to fill in gaps in CF, C and DH etc.. They will try to bring back Robin, but he will leave on his own-- so they hire Sandy Alomar Jr to replace him-- another white sox-- JR guy. Same story, different corporate puppet. Outcome 2) If JR has the decency to finally do what's right and move on from KW and Hahn (their contracts expire after this season), and he brings in a new GM from outside the organization, than I expect a full blown rebuild. We are talking new scouts and a new philosophy from the top down. He will even have the ability to hire his own manager and coaching staff. The new GMs first big move,trade Sale to a team for a kings ransom-- the rebuild begins. Sadly, I believe outcome #1 is the more likely of the two scenarios. This organization is a joke and will continue to operate in the same manner. Apparently they believe one of these seasons, they will finally catch lightning in a bottle and 'outsmart' their competition. I mean who needs depth in the farm? That's soo overrated!

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Aug 3, 2016 -> 10:03 PM) Yet, Robin Ventura still has his job. With the way the White Sox organization operates, don't be surprised if they bring him back next year.

QUOTE (ewokpelts @ Aug 2, 2016 -> 05:08 AM) This franchise is a joke. Lack of consequences and incompetence best exemplifies the current state of the White Sox organization. I'm starting to wonder if JR even wants to win? Apparently the White Sox are afraid to sell high on any of their veterans. I remember 2014, they had a golden opportunity to trade Alexei Ramirez away to the LA Dodgers for an impressive return of prospects. They decided to keep him and randomly Go For It prematurely in 2015. Alexei has a horrible 2015 season and he leaves for nothing via free agency the following year. As a GM you cannot let this happen. Know your damn team and finally value your farm system. Sale and Q aside, they could have traded Melky, Frazier, Robertson, Lawrie, Shields and Gonzalez for solid return packages. They could have sold very high on Adam Eaton who is having a tremendous season. I can understand holding onto Abreu because of his down season... But come on! Do your job as a GM! I'm starting to get the vibe that they won't sell anybody this winter, in fact they will try to retool and piece together another roster full of veterans and give it another 'Go' in 2017. This makes me wonder if they are all indeed insane. They have the same approach every year and it fails every time. I'm pretty sure that's the definition of insanity, so my conclusion to this hot mess is: Jerry and his puppets-- KW & Hahn are all certifiably insane.

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 07:41 PM) JR doesn't want the team to suck too badly since the TV contract will be negotiated in a year or two. So he wants them to be mediocre and miss the postseason for two more seasons to obtain a decent TV deal rather than rebuild and obtain young and exciting prospects? I think networks would be more excited to get a deal with the White Sox who have a bright future.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 05:38 PM) I heard a comment a week or so ago on the MLB radio channel that Williams' and Hahn's contracts are up after this year. It was just made in passing, so I have no idea whether it is accurate or not. Im praying this is true. This way JR wouldn't have to fire KW, Robin or Hahn. Something he seems to be afraid to do for some reason. Even though it's the most logical move he can make at this point.

QUOTE (Baron @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 05:26 PM) That's way too optimistic. That would be the correct thing to do. True. I can't remember the last time JR did what's best for this organization? This whole damn thing is stale, lacks a direction and is pretty boring. Nothing like Hahn saying 'We are mediocre' than not addressing necessary changes at the trade deadline. To me, this is simply irresponsible. Two consecutive seasons of not selling off key assets at the deadline. The whole "nothing prsented itself to us for the long term sustainable success" crap is getting so old. You are a bad GM, Rick. You are a bad president, Kenny. And Mr. Reinsdorf-- you are out of touch on what it takes to achieve modern day success, so yes you are a bad owner. My favorite team in all of sports sucks and that pisses me off.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 03:36 PM) I hate that I believe this but that's exactly what I think happened too. I know this is too good to be true. But is there any chance JR told KW and Hahn to stand pat because he plans on finally firing Hahn and KW at seasons end? Perhaps he wants his next GM to be in charge of the rebuild?

This breaks my heart. I'm so sorry for your loss. Praying for you and the family. Let us know if you need anything.

QUOTE (jeffro2525 @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 06:39 AM) It honestly sickens me that it's gotten to this point. You have Q and Sale (arguably TWO aces)to anchor your staff at team friendly deals and everything done around them was just a complete swing and miss...how does this happen? I don't blame the team trying to "go for it" the past few seasons. Q and Sale should have been a HUGE shortcut to competing in terms of filling out the rest of the roster. But it was botched...pretty badly. And this is why I believe all three (Robin, Hahn and KW) need to be let go at seasons end. They have put this organization in a horrible spot-- even with two of the best starting pitchers in the game. They do not deserve to be apart of a rebuild. Apart of me wonders if JR is FINALLY leaning toward this and that we only see minor trades today, while the rest of the deals will happen under a new regime this winter? It is very doubtful since JR never likes to admit when things are bad, plus he is 80 years old. It's doubtful he would be so bold in the final years of his life. Yet for some reason, I'm more hopeful now than I ever have been under JR's watch-- probably because things around the White Sox organization have become pretty bad on multiple fronts.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 12:51 PM) That will change if he stays on the Sox farm. That is probably why he is coming up to the main roster right away. Not that the current coaching staff will help coach up and elevate his game by any means.