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QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Jul 7, 2011 -> 06:02 PM) And once again it's time for all of Chicago media to stoke the fires of infatuation for the Twins franchise, disregarding of course that they have been an awful baseball team this season... Tell that to the White Sox

QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Jun 17, 2011 -> 03:01 PM) I wonder how many fans on this board were alive during the 70s and 80s when the White Sox won 1 division title in 20 years and usually finished in 3rd or 4th place with 70 something wins. Of the ones that were alive, I wonder if they can really get back in touch with what it felt like to be a fan of this team during that era, and put it in context. Do people realize the same White Sox organization has averaged 84 wins per season over the past 21 years, and 86 wins under the KW/OG regime? We're basically tied fourth in total wins since 1990 in the AL, behind New York, Boston and Oakland (Cleveland is about even with us, slightly ahead for now). During the OG era, I think we're 5th overall. During the past three "disappointing" years, we've averaged a "disappointing" 85 wins. Yes, our payroll has increased. Yes, the expectations have been higher recently. Yes, there have been some depressing results at times, particularly in our own division. Is it because we are agonizingly close? I hope that's the conclusion. Because if it's not, I have news for you: this is not a s*** organization. This organization is one of the best in the American League, year in and year out. You'd never know it from reading this board, though. It is astounding to me that there is absolutely no faith and no patience in this organization, this coach and this general manager. We've won 88+ games in 4 of the past six seasons. How many other teams have won 88+ games in four of the past six seasons? Four: Yankees, Red Sox, Angels, Phillies. That's it. Not your precious Twins, not the big-spending, bumbling big-market Mets, not the Dodgers of lore, not the Cubs. 25 of 30 teams haven't done it. The White Sox have. And yet, everyone is seemingly as frustrated as if they have waited 20 years for a divisional title. This team has won a World Series recently, under this management's watch, and yet you would never know it from the faithlessness around here. Really, what gives? Sure, you can blather on about Guillen's lack of in-game managerial skills while conveniently overlooking his other intangibles (his ability to deflect media heat from his players, his ability to keep his team motivated (even allegedly cantankerous ones like AJP and Jurassic Carl), his ability to be hands-off when nobody would dare notice it. You can talk about KW's missed opportunities and poor trades and acquisitions, and ignore the stability, identity and pride he has provided. I wonder if people even recall how controversial the Konerko re-signing was around here. You need to look no further than 12 miles north if you want to know how difficult it is to win in this game consistently, even with a large payroll. Whether or not you believe in curses, that team has fielded young talent, experienced managers, veteran leaders. They can't win s*** to save their damned lives. I can cite 5 more examples of teams who spent it all seemingly correctly and can't win s*** anyway (The Mets come to mind, among others). The 2011 White Sox may have been disappointing thus far, but I can't really see them playing much worse, and I can't pin this on the organization, nor have I lost faith or patience. I will not blame OG/KW for Adam Dunn and Alex Rios having the WORST slumps of their respective careers, for Peavy's unforeseen injury problems, for Beckham turning from can't miss to Crede-lite, for Juan Pierre forgetting how to field. I will not blame this organization for a host of veteran relievers blowing the f*** up. I will not blame this organization for John Danks' uncharacteristic, bewildering numbers. Nearly everything has gone wrong at times, and we are 33-37 and 5.5 out. This is still a very talented team that's representative of a very good organization. I really wish other people believed that too. Pure awesomeness. As someone who grew up a Sox fan in the 80's, this has been a Golden Era of White Sox baseball compared to the Dark Ages of the 80's. While it's frustrating to still see bad scouting in the minors, KW and Ozzie will always get a pass from me for 2005 and also from 2008 when the Sox punched out the damn Twins. The good heavily outweighs the bad from the current regime of the White Sox organization but in this age of instant gratification at your fingertips, people will always b**** about the little things more than the overall big picture.

If KC wants to blow their wad this early in the season with comebacks, that's fine. Short Term gain, long term loss. Aw hell, who am I crapping? This sucks.

Well, at least that stayed in the ballpark from Butler. C'mon Matt!

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Apr 3, 2011 -> 08:07 PM) Yes a team that has scored 23 runs in two days needs to be bunting in the 4th inning to get the bat into Omar Vizquel and Juan Pierre's hands to drive in the runs over Alexi. That is assine thinking every time. I agree, let Alexei try to drive them in, bad call on the bunt there. But Dunn just got under one and so did Konerko. Not really corpseball. And Wil Ohman is a friggin' gas can.

No reason for Oz to put in Sunday lineup, sweep their ass and put yourself up in the standings as early as possible. The damn Twins may start the season 0 - 6 so any cushion the Sox can get on them will only help later on. A Yankee sweep of the Tigers wouldn't be bad either

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Apr 1, 2011 -> 09:43 PM) Well at least Rios got on base. Baby steps.... If I were Ozzie, think I'd tell the whole bench to start warming up and get the gloves and bats ready.

QUOTE (ScottyDo @ Mar 9, 2011 -> 10:43 PM) Agreed. I'm just saying, no matter whether Morel's offense should be a bonus or not, there will be turmoil if he sucks with the bat. Unless he starts out with a Robin Venturaesque 0 - 41, I expect the kid to hit at least above the pitcher's BA and that should be enuff. If anyone thinks this kid should hit 2005 Joe Crede numbers, they're insane.

QUOTE (ScottyDo @ Mar 9, 2011 -> 10:35 PM) Ahh, 2006... EDIT: To clarify, I don't disagree with you, but I think I've heard/expressed that sentiment before. Don't get me started about 2006 where a good CF was benched because of hitting woes despite the fact there were four 30 HR guys in the lineup already and his replacement sucked in the field, leading to our pitching staff throwing more pitches and tiring down the stretch. 2006 and 2010 were not what Ozzie would call his better yrs managing the White Sox.

QUOTE (flavum @ Mar 9, 2011 -> 10:02 PM) I know it's spring training, but I'd like to see Morel higher than .188 in a few weeks. I wouldn't worry about it. We need the guy to be rock solid in the field, anything he gives at the plate is an added bonus outta the 9 hole.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Feb 28, 2011 -> 10:11 PM) Nice story, but the radio broadcasters are paid by the Chicago White Sox, not the Score. Doesn't the Score pay the Sox to broadcast the games, hence, the Score hires the broadcasters? I know the Sox have input into who the Score ultimately hires (North tried out for the color position, the Sox squashed that in a hurry) but they don't have a say in the $$$ dished out, the Score does.

QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Feb 28, 2011 -> 09:50 PM) The Sox should have never EVER let John Rooney walk. I don't know if it was the Sox or the Score, but that was a big mistake. At the time, The Score was paying Mike North 1.1 million or something like that and couldn't afford to sign Rooney to anything more than he was earning. So he fled to the Cardinals and that is why I revel in anything and everything bad that happens to Mike North. So far, I've been laughing pretty hard for the past 3 yrs at that pud

QUOTE (fathom @ Oct 4, 2010 -> 01:28 PM) An individual who really failed us in the clutch vs the Twins was Konerko. I believe there were 5 instances in the 9th inning or later vs Twins where he failed in a crucial situation with numerous runners on. This. From my count, the Sox loaded the bases against the Twins 7 times with less than 2 out and on those occasions, they scored only 1 run. That was because AJ grounded into a double play with nobody out. Paulie struck out 3 times on those situations so.....

QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Sep 22, 2010 -> 09:00 PM) I don't know if Pujols is enough to make me feel good about Larussa being the Sox manager again. Please no. Agree. Despite all of Ozzie's ramblings/poor choice of personnel along with his spoiled son's behavior, I'd rather have Ozzie at the helm than that douchebag Tony LaRussa. And Reinsdorf knows who the White Sox face of the franchise is and that's Ozzie (Whether fans like it or not). No way he lets him go, esp in light of weak attendance figures this yr and next yr. I see JR keeping Ozzie, bumping up KW and Hahn taking over as GM.

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Sep 14, 2010 -> 10:12 PM) Is this the game Manny finally shows some power? Or maybe he watches another HR from the on-deck circle. Either way, I'll take it. If the Sox load the bases in 3 straight innings like last time against Liriano, I pray that Manny gets a chance with the bases juiced. I don't care if he goes for a single, walk, whatever, at least he gives Liriano hell, unlike the rest of the guys.

QUOTE (Brian @ Sep 3, 2010 -> 08:30 PM) Take notes, Kansas City Take notes, Joe West. Fixed

QUOTE (OilCan @ Aug 31, 2010 -> 06:24 AM) File this in the "why does this not surprise me" file. ESPN - past midnight - John Kruk says Manny would have been better as a relief pitcher which is what the Sox really needs. Bobby V called it "a desperation act" and "it won't help much." Just sayin'. Chumps. Do yourself a favor and watch the MLB Network show, forget that ESPN ever existed. You will feel enlightened in one millisecond. That is of course, if you get MLB Network.

QUOTE (Jenks Heat @ Aug 30, 2010 -> 07:36 PM) The real disaster is Soldier Field. Agree 100%. 650 million and one can't navigate the west grandstand or end zone seating for crap or have more bathrooms/point-of-sale facilities at all. It's like they spent 649 million on the Cadillac side (Great views, excellent navigation pts, tons of bathrooms/concessions but at the price of your first-born) and left a million for the commoners' sections.

QUOTE (stretchstretch @ Aug 22, 2010 -> 03:37 AM) have a nice summer guys. congrats to MN, once again they proved they are simply a better baseball organization. hope they can find a way to beat NY and represent the ALC Unfortunately, I have to agree. This guy's checking out of the 2010 White Sox season, I simply can't waste anymore time watching this pile of crap night in/night out against both inferior opponents and those teams worthy of capturing the 2010 World Series trophy such as the Twins, Yankees and Rangers.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Aug 13, 2010 -> 03:04 AM) I guess their average is pretty decent hitting after 2 outs. The one thing that bothers me is how we pitch away, away to the Twins. Why not duplicate Danks? He busted their asses in the whole damn game and poof, they scored only one run. Hawk said this Tuesday and the Sox only listened once.

QUOTE (He_Gawn @ Aug 13, 2010 -> 03:03 AM) Leavin game now... We freakin sucked, and why were there so many douchey twin fans around me If the Sox had converted any of those bases loaded situations, you wouldn't have heard a peep from them.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 13, 2010 -> 02:38 AM) Doesn't mean they were good pitches, and it's also a pretty good sign his arm was tired. He's been our ace pitcher for the last two months, think trust isn't an issue here with Gavin. Just made a bad pitch, it happens.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 13, 2010 -> 02:36 AM) The 4 or 5 other curves he hung that inning didn't worry you? He struck out the other two guys with them, what can one do?

And the flyball we needed two innings ago from Rios comes now. This game can be just cruel.

QUOTE (bobryansson @ Aug 13, 2010 -> 02:32 AM) I know I'll be in the minority, probably bashed, but I agree with leaving Gavin. Agreed. Unfortunately, his curveball just fell over the heart of the plate and not into the ground. No blame on Ozzie from me, Gavin just hung it.