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QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jun 16, 2014 -> 09:12 AM) Totally agree with this. Hahn is running out and buying lottery tickets and hoping that one or two will stick. It has worked out well enough with Putnam and Belly so far. Rodriguez and Taylor were both formerly top 50 prospects in all of baseball, so there is some upside there, the problem is trying to pull it out of them at this stage in their careers. There is nothing wrong with taking a chance on these guys, it is not like they are in the way of some prospects moving forward in the organization. Lottery tickets are all well and good, but what it says about this rebuild is it's going to take longer than planned.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Jun 15, 2014 -> 08:55 PM) He has had 0 Major League at bats at the age of 28. Try again, and this time say something relevant and different, and hopefully correct. Michael Taylor is not a Major League caliber player. That's about as correct as I can put it.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Jun 15, 2014 -> 05:14 PM) None of what your disputing has been said, at least not by me. I never said he was a prospect, in fact, the comment you are quoting is of me saying that exact same thing. I especially never said he was a decent prospect. I also didn't say he was acquired for the major league roster. I also never displayed any hope he would turn in to a major leaguer. What I DID say though, is that you can't look at his sporadic 81 ABs across 3 seasons as evidence of what kind of player he is. There are hundreds of examples players who struggled in their first 100 AB before improving. Doesn't mean that will be the case with Taylor if he ever makes the major league club, it just means you can forget those 81 AB ever existed while you label him "a career .125 hitter" or whatever the inconsequential number was exactly. It means absolutely nothing. 81 Major League at bats at the age of 28 is all you need to know about this guy.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 15, 2014 -> 03:12 PM) Says the Mariners And the Phillies, and . . .

I can't wait until Viciedo turns it around.

Put Q. on the trade market and sign Shields.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jun 15, 2014 -> 11:20 AM) Because at the time, they were the best trades available. If Davidson hadn't been struggling, would you still of hated the the Reed trade? You make that trade 10 times out of 10 to get a potential franchise third baseman for an above average closer but replaceable (and I'm a huge Reed fan) As judged by Rick Hahn.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Jun 15, 2014 -> 11:34 AM) I'm not saying he is a prospect, or even good, but you can't cite 81 AB across 3 different years as an example of his skill. A better sample size is his career .289 average during 9 minor league seasons. That's infinitely more valuable to know. I completely disagree. 81 MLB AB's at the age of 28 is more telling than any minor league stat.

QUOTE (farmteam @ Jun 15, 2014 -> 10:48 AM) What would you have moved them for? What does that matter, we're judging Rick Hahn.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jun 15, 2014 -> 10:38 AM) You're crazy if you cannot see the upside in all those deals besides the Rios deal. I would just like to know what moves you would of made with the likes of Peavy, Rios and Reed. The deals Hahn made, I still would make today. Davidson will be fine, Montas and Wendelken have enjoyed some success. Not enough to "love" what Hahn is doing. At best mixed results so far when he needed to use those pieces to start building the core.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 15, 2014 -> 10:20 AM) I think a bit more patience is required. Agreed, but the results thus far are mixed at best and certainly nothing to love imo. The problem for Hahn is he's running out of assets to trade.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jun 15, 2014 -> 12:53 AM) Avi Garcia, Eaton, with Davidson, Montas, Rondon, and Wendelken in the minors? Davidson's struggled and Avi is injured, but they still have great potential. This is you blowing smoke out your ass. Adam Eaton isn't anything to get excited about and neither is Davidson or Wendelken. Montas is a High-A pitcher experiencing success for the first time this year. Like I said Hahn talks a good game.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 14, 2014 -> 09:10 PM) Yeah. I can see why bringing back Dylan Axelrod to pitch for Charlotte wouldn't piss someone off, but to absolutely love it, I think Hahn may need an order of protection. It appears he has a stalker. People like Hahn because he talks a good game. His results have been ordinary so far.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jun 14, 2014 -> 09:49 PM) Count me in on the Rick Hahn lovefest. Obviously Wite wasn't saying every single move was perfect. Considering all the failure and injuries in baseball he's going to miss a few but Hahn has done an absolutely wonderful. Off the top of my head, I can't think of a move that can be labeled bad other than the Keppinger signing. Even though 75% your posts are good and logically sound, it's post like these that make people come at you all the time. Who gives a s*** who's filling out the roster in Charlotte? Do you really think Wite was thinking of Dylan Axelrod when he made his post? He turned Peavy, Rios, Santiago, and Reed into nothing.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jun 14, 2014 -> 11:30 AM) No, it "is" a Jerry thing, just as it "was" a Comiskey, Veeck, and Allyn thing when they were the owners. You're correct, though: no owner of the Sox has been able to build sustainable success, which is why the franchise has had these attendance problems for decades upon decades. But Reinsdorf is the owner now, so the spotlight and microscope is on him. And my point in responding to a poster before, who rightfully pointed out that the solution to the attendance problem was to build a ball club capable of sustainable success, was suggesting we try a new owner. The current one has been at this for 34 years now, and has proven, to date, incapable of building such a consistent winner. Exactly. Reinsdorf's failure with the Sox is obscured by the Jordan-era Bulls. The Sox are a sleeping giant and to blame the fan base is folly.