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QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jun 16, 2014 -> 09:12 AM) Totally agree with this. Hahn is running out and buying lottery tickets and hoping that one or two will stick. It has worked out well enough with Putnam and Belly so far. Rodriguez and Taylor were both formerly top 50 prospects in all of baseball, so there is some upside there, the problem is trying to pull it out of them at this stage in their careers. There is nothing wrong with taking a chance on these guys, it is not like they are in the way of some prospects moving forward in the organization. Lottery tickets are all well and good, but what it says about this rebuild is it's going to take longer than planned.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Jun 15, 2014 -> 08:55 PM) He has had 0 Major League at bats at the age of 28. Try again, and this time say something relevant and different, and hopefully correct. Michael Taylor is not a Major League caliber player. That's about as correct as I can put it.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Jun 15, 2014 -> 05:14 PM) None of what your disputing has been said, at least not by me. I never said he was a prospect, in fact, the comment you are quoting is of me saying that exact same thing. I especially never said he was a decent prospect. I also didn't say he was acquired for the major league roster. I also never displayed any hope he would turn in to a major leaguer. What I DID say though, is that you can't look at his sporadic 81 ABs across 3 seasons as evidence of what kind of player he is. There are hundreds of examples players who struggled in their first 100 AB before improving. Doesn't mean that will be the case with Taylor if he ever makes the major league club, it just means you can forget those 81 AB ever existed while you label him "a career .125 hitter" or whatever the inconsequential number was exactly. It means absolutely nothing. 81 Major League at bats at the age of 28 is all you need to know about this guy.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 15, 2014 -> 03:12 PM) Says the Mariners And the Phillies, and . . .

I can't wait until Viciedo turns it around.

Put Q. on the trade market and sign Shields.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jun 15, 2014 -> 11:20 AM) Because at the time, they were the best trades available. If Davidson hadn't been struggling, would you still of hated the the Reed trade? You make that trade 10 times out of 10 to get a potential franchise third baseman for an above average closer but replaceable (and I'm a huge Reed fan) As judged by Rick Hahn.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Jun 15, 2014 -> 11:34 AM) I'm not saying he is a prospect, or even good, but you can't cite 81 AB across 3 different years as an example of his skill. A better sample size is his career .289 average during 9 minor league seasons. That's infinitely more valuable to know. I completely disagree. 81 MLB AB's at the age of 28 is more telling than any minor league stat.

QUOTE (farmteam @ Jun 15, 2014 -> 10:48 AM) What would you have moved them for? What does that matter, we're judging Rick Hahn.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jun 15, 2014 -> 10:38 AM) You're crazy if you cannot see the upside in all those deals besides the Rios deal. I would just like to know what moves you would of made with the likes of Peavy, Rios and Reed. The deals Hahn made, I still would make today. Davidson will be fine, Montas and Wendelken have enjoyed some success. Not enough to "love" what Hahn is doing. At best mixed results so far when he needed to use those pieces to start building the core.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 15, 2014 -> 10:20 AM) I think a bit more patience is required. Agreed, but the results thus far are mixed at best and certainly nothing to love imo. The problem for Hahn is he's running out of assets to trade.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jun 15, 2014 -> 12:53 AM) Avi Garcia, Eaton, with Davidson, Montas, Rondon, and Wendelken in the minors? Davidson's struggled and Avi is injured, but they still have great potential. This is you blowing smoke out your ass. Adam Eaton isn't anything to get excited about and neither is Davidson or Wendelken. Montas is a High-A pitcher experiencing success for the first time this year. Like I said Hahn talks a good game.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 14, 2014 -> 09:10 PM) Yeah. I can see why bringing back Dylan Axelrod to pitch for Charlotte wouldn't piss someone off, but to absolutely love it, I think Hahn may need an order of protection. It appears he has a stalker. People like Hahn because he talks a good game. His results have been ordinary so far.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jun 14, 2014 -> 09:49 PM) Count me in on the Rick Hahn lovefest. Obviously Wite wasn't saying every single move was perfect. Considering all the failure and injuries in baseball he's going to miss a few but Hahn has done an absolutely wonderful. Off the top of my head, I can't think of a move that can be labeled bad other than the Keppinger signing. Even though 75% your posts are good and logically sound, it's post like these that make people come at you all the time. Who gives a s*** who's filling out the roster in Charlotte? Do you really think Wite was thinking of Dylan Axelrod when he made his post? He turned Peavy, Rios, Santiago, and Reed into nothing.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jun 14, 2014 -> 11:30 AM) No, it "is" a Jerry thing, just as it "was" a Comiskey, Veeck, and Allyn thing when they were the owners. You're correct, though: no owner of the Sox has been able to build sustainable success, which is why the franchise has had these attendance problems for decades upon decades. But Reinsdorf is the owner now, so the spotlight and microscope is on him. And my point in responding to a poster before, who rightfully pointed out that the solution to the attendance problem was to build a ball club capable of sustainable success, was suggesting we try a new owner. The current one has been at this for 34 years now, and has proven, to date, incapable of building such a consistent winner. Exactly. Reinsdorf's failure with the Sox is obscured by the Jordan-era Bulls. The Sox are a sleeping giant and to blame the fan base is folly.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jun 14, 2014 -> 02:27 PM) I've always liked Taylor. Hopefully he earns a shot with the Sox. Sanchez is a small price to pay. I still am absolutely love everything Rick Hahn has done. *Shrugs* most have been lateral moves at best.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jun 13, 2014 -> 09:35 PM) I realize the BlackHawks play half as many home games, but the seats next to mine at the United Center 10 rows back in the upper deck corner sell for $100+ every home game on StubHub. And they are full every time, very often with families of four. Buying beer and Hawks shirts and nachos and $6 sodas. These families are spending $600 or $700 just to go to a Hawks game, yet nobody has any money to buy a $20 Sox ticket? Bulls***. It could be a family has $600-700 to spend on sporting events and they choose the Hawks over the Sox. (Wonder why?) Most of this thread has provided tremendous entertainment, but lets take it to the next level by having the posters state how many games they have gone to and how much money they have spent at Sox park. What do you say?????

Coats needs to get promoted to AA in the next month, imo. He could be a capable bat for LF.

Quintana never makes it easy. He's got to cut down on the pitches to be a top of the rotation guy.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jun 8, 2014 -> 02:09 PM) 3 HRs, 6 2Bs and a 3B over his last 10.5 games. I'd say that's pretty good. Anderson, Danish and Michalczewski all having promising first halves to highlight Rick Hahn's first draft class. Anderson also has made an error. Barnum doesn't do him any favors at first, but he may have to be moved to CF. Ironic because he has the same stance as Mike Cameron. Less patience, but better hitter for average and I think about the same type of XBH power. As far Danish goes, I'll be surprised if he is a starter in MLB. His stuff is just a tick below where you'd like it.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 8, 2014 -> 12:25 PM) That was when the game was tied with nobody on. You can spin it any way you want. Once Sale was getting in deep crap, it was time to go. If Petricka came in with two on in a 5-1 game, it could have gone much better for the Sox. We'll never know though. What if Sale wanted to stay in though? Sale has done everything the Sox have asked him to do when they agreed to leave him in the rotation in terms of being honest about his physical condition. He's earned the right in my view to have a big say as to when he should be left in the game.

Anderson Homer.

QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Jun 8, 2014 -> 01:13 PM) Tyler Danish scoreless first, Tim Anderson leadoff double The ball is jumping off of Anderson's bat right now. He has the look of an extra-base machine. If/when he refines his plate discipline he is going to be something.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 8, 2014 -> 10:29 AM) Wasn't Sale criticized in 2012 for being dishonest about how his arm felt and trying to pitch through it? That was two years ago, Balta. Ventura has earned Sale's trust over that time.

Ever think part of the reason Sale is honest about soreness and such is because he trusts Ventura? He trusts him because he'll let him do things like pitch the 8th and face Trout. Yes, it was a bad loss, but it's far better than having Sale losing that trust in Ventura. As far as the team goes there's no way they should be where they are given the talent Ventura was handed. He has done a remarkable job.