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QUOTE(ISF @ May 11, 2005 -> 02:56 AM) I think McCarthy should take the Buerhle route to stardom. Waive Vizcaino and bring up McCarthy for a year of long relief. McCarthy isn't exactly dominating AAA right now.

QUOTE(JimH @ May 11, 2005 -> 02:59 AM) Fair enough. So what you're saying is you'd use Politte and keep Vizcaino so he can go in the 8th? He had Politte getting ready behind Vizcaino, which means Politte would've been in a key role or reserved for extra innings. You can bet Politte will pitch tomorrow. JimH....my plan would have been to not even consider using Vizcaino in that game, as long as we were winning. Politte, Marte, and Hermanson are our best relievers by far right now. Thus, I would have taken my chances with them getting 9 outs with a 2 run lead.

If we can't count on Shingo to pitch an inning with allowing a run, then he can't be pitching in close games anymore. It's pretty simple.

QUOTE(JimH @ May 11, 2005 -> 02:48 AM) Still looking for a volunteer to say exactly how they would've handled the relievers better. I'll bite....no problem with Cotts starting the 7th. However, Politte would have been my choice to relieve after Cotts. Politte has pitched 5 times more effectively than Vizcaino this year. Politte would have been given the rest of the 7th, and the first few batters until Crawford and Huff batted in the 8th. Marte would get the call then, and Hermanson would have been the closer.

Funny thing is that I thought he lost this game in the 7th inning by leaving Vizcaino in when it was obvious he didn't have anything. Ozzie failed at his job tonight by not putting us in the best position to win (that's all you can ask for in a manager).

As long as Ozzie continues to use Shingo in save situations or close games, we're going to have a lot more trouble. In a way, I'm happy that we lost this game tonight. Maybe Ozzie will find out which relievers just don't have it this season, and which ones do.

QUOTE(maggsmaggs @ May 11, 2005 -> 02:36 AM) The Twins have a better pitching staff for the simple reason of Joe Nathan while we have Shingo, I am staring to think by the end of May we are 2-3 behind the Twinkies. Twins have a better everything than the Sox. With Morneau back, their lineup is more dangerous than ever before. It will take the Sox continuing to find every possible way to win games in order to win this division.

QUOTE(rudylaw @ May 11, 2005 -> 02:35 AM) That was the worst f***ing game of Ozzie career. I know he did not throw that last home run but f***. Viz should not have been in the f***ing game. Shingo has no business beening in in a tie game in the bottom of the ninth. He walks to many and serves up to many home runs. Ozzie did a f***ing terrible job tonight. f*** f*** f*** Ozzie has got away with a lot of questionable decisions tonight. The games in which the decisions backfire makes him look really stupid. However, since they're 24-9, I'm sure no one will take Ozzie criticisms seriously. I, for one, think he sucks as a manager.

We had a 2 run lead going into the 7th inning, and we let Cotts and Vizcaino blow the lead. Ozzie....if you're going to lose, lose with your f***ing best!

At least we have two great mop-up relievers in Shingo and Vizcaino now. Politte and Hermanson deserve to be pitching in close games.

A big f*** you goes out to Ozzie tonight. He put our worst relievers in situations where they could blow the lead/game....and they did. There was no excuse to keep Vizcaino in the game as long as he did...and there was no reason to let Shingo start the 9th.

Throw f***ing strikes

I'll bet 100 dollars that Dye is not in the lineup tomorrow. I'm so sick of seeing him swing for the fences every AB, and it ends up just being a lazy fly or pop up.

The Twins main relievers this season have been incredible. They win the game tonight 6-4.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ May 11, 2005 -> 02:24 AM) Weren't you just saying the same thing a couple saturdays ago when the sox lost 3 in a row. They'll get back into the swing of things, just a bad few games here. Yes, but we don't have the Royals on our schedule to help get back into a groove. The Orioles will score a good amount of runs no matter how good our pitching is this weekend. We need our hitting to become a lot more consistent.

Seriously, what was Konerko doing there? He seemed like he was protecting on the 1-1 pitch. That's the type of easy outs that the Sox seem to make a lot more than a team like the Twins.

QUOTE(quickman @ May 11, 2005 -> 02:20 AM) hey rowand still disagree with me about the pitching? I can hear it now on baseball tonight, the differnece between this wek and last week is the runs given up by the whitesox bullpen. And they will be right, and all you guys will be moaning and complaining that they aren't saying nice things about us. It's not the relievers who are struggling, it's the starting pitching that's been bad for the last few games. They're still keeping us in the game though. People would have to be nuts to think we'd keeping winning at such a high rate with our big money hitters continuing to suck.

Wow, we caught a break there. Good job by Marte throwing strikes when he needed to though. I'd assume Colome is coming in. He's got some great stuff, but lacks control.

Marte's not even close. Ozzie keeps playing with fire by leaving struggling relievers in the game. Why isn't Politte warming up? This is insane. Perez is great against lhp.

Is Politte warming up?

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ May 11, 2005 -> 02:17 AM) Aubrey Huff... the bidding begins. For Aubrey Huff, you can have a nice, shiny Timo Perez, a Joe Crede, a Felix Diaz, as well as two out ofo Arnie Munoz/Jeff Bajenareau/Josh Fields (RHP)/Jon Adkins. Please do it. It would make me happy. Come on, Damaso. Considering that they want more for Huff than they did for V. Zambrano (Kazmir), I don't see a single person on that list that they'd even be interested in.

This umpire has definitely not done us any favors calling balls and strikes tonight.

I would like to see Ozzie lay off playing matchups, and just go with Marte, Hermanson, and Shingo to end games if we're up going into the 7th inning. That way, if one of them gets in trouble, we can have Politte, Cotts, or Vizcaino ready to get an out or two.

Ventura just said he never faced Marte. I specifically remember a game vs the Yanks a few years ago where Marte got squeezed against Ventura, and eventually Rondell White won the game for the Yankees against Rocky Biddle.

Twins lead after the umps f***ed the Orioles in the 8th inning.