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QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jul 23, 2005 -> 05:53 PM) If you consider making their pitching even worse to be good. I know Ponson isn't good, but they have absolutely no pitching. They're now just trying to slug their way into the playoffs with Nevin. They're the Texas Rangers of the AL East now. That just doesn't work. Orioles will acquire a starting pitcher, I can guarantee you that. Ponson was a disaster for the Orioles, so I'm sure their fans won't shed a tear about him leaving.

Brandon McCarthy......your plane is waiting to go to Florida.

Wow, instead of getting a lefty reliever in T. Miller, the Orioles get Phil Nevin instead. Pretty good trade for the Orioles if you ask me.

QUOTE(TLAK @ Jul 23, 2005 -> 05:45 PM) You only get 12 assists when EVERYBODY runs on you. There is a reason everybody runs on you. Yep, but he's shown an ability to actually throw the runner out. We're not talking about Rondell White or Tom Goodwin in the outfield. Manny is a bad outfielder, but mostly with his lazy play trying to catch the ball. His throwing arm is clearly his best defensive attribute.

QUOTE(TLAK @ Jul 23, 2005 -> 05:42 PM) It was a good decision. Manny Ramirez screws that throw up 9 out of 10 times. This was the 10th. The White Sox have to stay aggressive, they don't have the overwhelming talent to play it safe. Same play tonight: send him again! Manny leads the league in assists with 12. Cora better not make that same play tonight. When it comes to PK and Frank on the bases, you need to play it safe.

Also, why would the Phillies give up Wagner now? They're on a pretty good run, and have a solid chance at the NL Wild Card. Not only that, but AJ Burnett looked awful at Philadelphia last week. I can't see why the Phillies would want Burnett.

QUOTE(Frankensteiner @ Jul 23, 2005 -> 05:34 PM) That would be a terrible trade then because we're essentially swapping left-handed relievers while also giving up our best pitching prospect. I wouldn't consider Marte for Wagner as swapping relievers, if you know what I mean. However, I thought Wagner has said he might retire after this season.

QUOTE(EvilJester99 @ Jul 23, 2005 -> 05:31 PM) ESPN Radio just reported Ponson was traded to San Diego but I didn't hear for who though..anyone else hear this report?? for Phil Nevin, I just read. Sounds like an awful trade for the Padres.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jul 23, 2005 -> 05:23 PM) The other part of this is I read Philadelphia did tell KW he could have Wagner for Burnett. Then it becomes Marte/BMac for Wagner. Watching Hermanson last night, and for about the last 4 or 5 weeks, I really think it might be a good idea for the White Sox to get a closer. And I know people are going to jump all over me for that, because I think Hermy only has 1 blown save. Just when you're ripping, remember Shingo was 8 for 9 in save chances, and people were willing to pay for his plane ticket out of town. Wagner would be a godsend. However, you may be able to get Guardado for a cheaper price. I couldn't agree more with your Hermanson perspective. Hermanson was fooling every hitter he faced earlier in the year with his splitter. However, hitters are laying off that pitch now, and an 88 mph fastball gets hit very hard in the majors. Don't get me wrong, he's been great this year. However, getting a closer wouldn't be the worst thing we could do.

QUOTE(VAfan @ Jul 23, 2005 -> 05:15 PM) I still don't get all the drooling over AJ Burnett. Great stuff, but really poor performances. No track record at all of winning or even eating innings. He's a 6 inning pitcher. Aack. Let the O's have him. All along, I've been saying I want KW to get the f*** away from Florida. If we can get him for Marte and McCarthy, while resigning him for the future, that wouldn't be so bad. However, we'd probably have to give up more for him, and rumor is that he doesn't want to sign until FA begins.

QUOTE(Soxnbears01 @ Jul 23, 2005 -> 05:00 PM) JC would be terrible in the pen. Duque i could see doing well though. Contreras was pretty dominant in the Yankees pen, if I remember correctly.

If we get Burnett w/o having to give up Contreras, then the deal would make more sense. I think a lot depends on how Duque looks today. If he has a rough start, KW might feel like he's not the type of pitcher he can trust against playoff level teams.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Jul 23, 2005 -> 03:57 AM) The guy leading the team in BA is a ? to you? You mean Rowand, I assume? The only reason that I didn't include him on the list is because I'd look like a hypocrite, considering that I was participating in recent threads about his performance. However, compared to the other players that I feel are still question marks, then he would definitely not be on the list, nor would AJP.

QUOTE(RibbieRubarb @ Jul 23, 2005 -> 03:21 AM) :headshake Who isn't to you?? Buehrle, Garcia, Garland, Cotts, Politte, Marte, Pods, PK, Everett, and Dye.

Nice win tonight, congrats to Garland on the win. Hermanson is a definite question mark to me right now.

QUOTE(Sox Hustler @ Jul 23, 2005 -> 02:50 AM) Zito can dominate and im sure if they weren't low balling Beane for him before he dealt Mulder he could have went instead. I thought they kept Zito because he still had another year left on his contract. I know Hudson was a FA after this season.

That noise you hear is KW calling someone for a closer. Hopefully, this is just Hermanson getting the rust off.

QUOTE(robinventura23 @ Jul 23, 2005 -> 02:12 AM) Short Right? What is this softball? The problem with that shift is that Willie would need a relay to get the ball to first. I'm not sure he could reach PK on a fly from that position.

Willie throws the ball harder underhand than he does overhand. You know what, a .210 batting average would look good for the Bandits.

Renteria should be the last batter for Garland.

QUOTE(JimH @ Jul 23, 2005 -> 01:57 AM) Graffanino has to feel a little like Crede did last nite. I think injuries have taken a toll on him a bit, he does not have much range, and it cost the Red Sox there. I know the comparison you're trying to make, but that Graffy play was by no means an easy play.

I'm going to keep calling him Urine! Last game I called him that, it was the DBacks game where he hit the big 3 run homer.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 23, 2005 -> 01:51 AM) Or not. I know, I know. I have no clue how he didn't swing at the 0-2 pitch.

FINALLY! Great job AJP. There's that charge we needed put into you.

AJP is swinging at EVERYTHING. Watch him take a called 3rd again.