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QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jul 17, 2005 -> 04:57 PM) So we trade Rowand and go for a power hitter that can't hit for any average. The team also weakens there defense. So essentially we go from the type of style that helped the club win 60 games this early in the season, back to the style that choked down the stretch the past couple years? Now I go a little over the top knocking Dunn cause I do realize he has a great eye, but he needs to hit .250-.260 and not in the .230 range which he was doing for most of the year. Right now he's just a better version of Konerko from the left side (I'll let people decide if thats good or bad). My trade dealt more with the long-term outlook for the Sox. Dunn could also play 1b next season if we got rid of PK. Don't get me wrong, I like Rowand. He's just not some great offensive weapon who we can place in the middle of the order, and be sure he'll hit 40 homers that season.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jul 17, 2005 -> 04:54 PM) Screw Dunn...thats all I got to say. I can't believe how people under-value some guys on the Sox. Its ludicrous. Teams would freaking love to get their hands on Aaron Rowand. He's not even gotten hot this year and he's still putting up very very solid numbers (OPS be damned) while playing as close to gold glove defense as possible (he'll never win it with Torri in his league though). I respectfully disagree. Dunn is a much better offensive weapon than Rowand is, and he's two years younger also. While many hate the OPS stat, it still is fairly representative of how the batter is hitting that season. If Rowand was putting up numbers even close to what he did last season, then I would say we shouldn't consider trading him. However, he's just not the same hitter this season as he was last year (OPS is down .180). Again, I think there's like a 1 pct chance we'd even trade Rowand. All I was saying is that if we do, I hope it's for someone that will be with the Sox in the future, and not some crap like Burnett.

I won't shed a tear for a second if we trade Duque. Like someone just said, we'd be better off without his salary on the books. And I don't see any chance in hell that he pitches for the Sox in the playoffs. Experience or not, he's just not as good as our other 4 pitchers this season.

One more time: KW, please get the f*** away from the Marlins!

QUOTE(WSoxMatt @ Jul 17, 2005 -> 04:44 PM) I like Iguchi better 2nd only b/c he doesnt mind giving away ABs to get Pods over and knows to take pitches to let Pods setal bases I'm just saying that if Iguchi hits the wall in the 2nd half, Rowand should be the choice to move up in the order. Remember, Iguchi isn't used to the 162 game season.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jul 17, 2005 -> 04:42 PM) I wouldn't trade Rowand for Dunn just because that would kill this team defensively, having scotty in centerfield would not be pretty. If Ozzie doesn't mind having Pods in CF, and Everett in LF.....then I don't think he'd mind having Pods in CF, and Dunn in LF. As much as I like Rowand, if you could get Dunn for him, you do it in a heartbeat. Dunn at the Cell would be a monster, and he'd had no problem maintaining his power with the new steroid testing policy.

Anyone else really like Rowand in the 2nd spot yesterday? Iguchi has done a solid job all year, but Rowand is a good number 2 hitter also. No more Willie batting 2nd, that's all I ask.

The only two players that have been discussed that I wouldn't mind the Sox trading Rowand for would be Dunn or Brad Lidge. If we were to trade Rowand, it better be for someone that will be here after this season. I don't think Rowand is going anywhere though. I'm not a big fan of B. Anderson, as he didn't overly impress me much in Spring Training, and his K numbers are quite poor. Even if Anderson isn't ready next year, and PK doesn't come back to the Sox, a cheap alternative would be move Dye to 1b (I'm confident he could do well there), and sign a cheap corner outfielder. Just like Dye this year, you can find solid outfielders at fairly cheap prices. You could get much greater value for the same price at RF than you could for a 1b (the list of 1b FA is awful this year).

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Jul 16, 2005 -> 10:33 PM) Buster Olney on SC... -Baltimore/White Sox top 2 -Jorge Julio is being offered by Baltimore -Contreras would be a piece from the Sox side -Feeling is Burnett WILL be moved -Marlins want to move Lowell with Burnett I saw the same segment, and Olney made it sound like the Marlins will only trade AJB if the team will take Lowell also. Lowell is due 25 million over the next 3 years. It's time for KW to walk away from the table, and quick. The Marlins seem to be asking for a ton for someone who's proven nothing.

1. White Sox 2. Whoever's playing Twins 3. Whoever's playing Cubs

QUOTE(Antonio Osuna @ Jul 16, 2005 -> 08:42 PM) That 9th inning was Paniagua-esque. I was thinking the same, but this was a whole different situation. The Indians don't gain any confidence by that comeback...they're still s***ting the bed against the leader in the division. The Twins Paniagua experience gave them all sorts of confidence against a team that was only a few games in front of them.

The thing is, I have no problem pitching Shingo when he was in there. I just didn't understand bringing in Viz instead of Politte or Hermanson. Have we found out if it's Elarton or Lee tomorrow?

My heart is still pounding way too fast. Oh well, thankfully, we won that game!

Thank you PK!

Crisp with a huge swing there. Please no more 91 mph fastballs down the plate.

Unf***ingbelievable. 7-5 now with Crisp up. Bulls*** handling of the bullpen here, and too many guys who can't get their job done.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jul 16, 2005 -> 08:35 PM) I'm scared So am I. This would be a heartbreaking, heartbreaking loss the likes we haven't seen in a long time. One more out please!

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jul 16, 2005 -> 08:34 PM) Jizzcan and Dingo have officially f***ing wet the bed. Is that really a surprise? Why Viz was used there, and not Politte or Hermanson really puzzles me.

Got to bring in Marte here to face Sizemore.

f***. Simply pathetic here.

QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Jul 16, 2005 -> 08:33 PM) maybe it's cause they're leading by a slam Yeah, which means one runner and the tying runner is up to bat.

This is getting ridiculous. Why Viz why?

Am I the only one wondering why we're bringing in Viz now? This is a situation that is usually left up to your studs in the bullpen.

QUOTE(JimH @ Jul 16, 2005 -> 08:29 PM) Status please? Score, outs? 2 on, 2 out, 7-3 game

QUOTE(Southside hitmen @ Jul 16, 2005 -> 08:28 PM) I hope to God thsas the last time we see Shingo in a Sox uniform I agree. The man is scared of the bat.