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QUOTE(Soxnbears01 @ Jun 5, 2005 -> 11:18 PM) this was most definitely a team loss. Yep.....but our bullpen is just in shambles right now. Who do we have that we can count on out there? Politte? Ozzie seems hesitant to use him anyways.

QUOTE(hi8is @ Jun 5, 2005 -> 11:15 PM) its ozzies fault, its martes falut, its credes fault, its hermansons fault, its widgers fault, its rowands fault... whhhhaaaaa If you lose a game, is it not the fault of a player or manager?

QUOTE(whitesoxin' @ Jun 5, 2005 -> 11:11 PM) Thanks a lot Damaso, you cost us this game. At least Marte made Hafner beat him. Hermanson basically handed 2 runs to the Indians.

See what happens when you bunt in a tight game Ozzie? You make the defense make a play. No excuse to not be bunting in the 8th inning earlier.

We need bullpen help fast. Hermanson has now allowed runs in 3 of his last 4 appearances, and doesn't look sharp at all. You can't have a bullpen where only one or two guys are reliable to retire a single batter.

QUOTE(Soxnbears01 @ Jun 5, 2005 -> 10:17 PM) are you kidding me? there are times to blame the manager and this isn't one. Marte missed his spot. Marte should have never been throwing fastballs in that situation. Absolutely no excuse, especially with 2 outs.

This is what happens when you play for the homer. One pitch to the other team, and you're in bad shape.

Marte throwing fastballs to the best fastball hitter in the AL last season. f***ing brilliant.

QUOTE(Fotop @ Jun 5, 2005 -> 10:11 PM) Bleh all this goofing around on the basepaths. Ozzie should just let Iguchi hit up there. Then he won't have to worry about protecting the runner. I was all for Ozuna trying to steal a base, but not with 2 strikes. One thing I've noticed about Iguchi is that he struggles making contact with the ball when he's trying to protect the runner. When Pods steals in front of him, Iguchi swings through the ball a lot. Ozuna should have been running earlier in the count (more like Pods should have been in the game running for him).

Ozzie seems to be playing for the game winning homer now.

Will someone please tell Ozzie that he has the MLB leader in stolen bases on his bench?

Our lack of having a back-up 1b hurt us a lot in the 8th inning. We were in a great situation to have Pods run for PK, and let Willie bunt him over after seeing if Pods could steal 3rd. Rather, Ozzie tried to play for the homer.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jun 5, 2005 -> 08:30 PM) Ozuna is an awful lead-off hitter. He doesn't look at enough pitches. You can get rid of lead-off there, and just say awful hitter. We should be thrilled with the offense he gave us early on, as he was finding new ways to get on base nearly every game (bunts, high choppers, hbp, etc).

What is Ozuna doing? If you're going to bunt, dont give it away the pitch before. How did he ever hit for such a high average in spring training?

Buehrle gives up 2 straight 2 outs hits to the worst hitters against lhp in the AL.

We're absolutely awful with bases loaded this season. Too many players trying for the grand slam instead of the 2 RBI single.

We're back to trying to pull everything against C.C. Also, Ozuna's not letting me down with his hitting so far today.....he's just a machine at hitting grounders.

I still want to see Rowand batting 3rd against lefties. He's easily our best hitter against lhp.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jun 5, 2005 -> 06:29 PM) Forgive me for saying something nice about our manager, but I like today's lineup. I just don't like not playing our best defense on the left side of the field for a pitcher who likely will give up a lot of grounders to the left side, etc. Also, why is Crede being benched? Has he not hit 3 homers in last 4 games? Why not let him stay hot?

QUOTE(I-HATE-CREDE @ Jun 5, 2005 -> 06:35 PM) Look how good it did them last year. Yeah, when they had outstanding players around them in Beltran and Kent. However, with those players gone this year, they should have known that their team was going to be in trouble this season.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jun 5, 2005 -> 06:32 PM) Then was does that mean exactly? If you value a player more than another, wouldn't you be playin them everyday? And what does Willie Harris have to do with Ozzie valuing Timo over Frank??? Ozzie values Timo's role and his so-called versatility more than he does Frank's ability to be a tough out/draw walks/put people in the seats. Ozzie seems to go out of his way to get Timo into the lineup as much as possible. I don't see that mindset with other players, especially guys who are swinging the bat good like Widger. There's no rule that suggests you can't play both of your catchers during a game at the same time. If the starting catcher unfortunately gets hurt, then you just activate the DH. It's not the end of the world.

QUOTE(Rex Hudler @ Jun 5, 2005 -> 06:30 PM) I'm not saying he should be traded. Never did I say that. All I am saying is that hanging onto the concept that Frank is an icon and is untouchable no matter what, could be contrary to the overall goal of winning. It is the mindset that Frank can't be traded regardless that I am attacking here. As I have already mentioned, the likelihood of it happening is remote Look how good it did the Astros this year of keeping icons Bagwell and Biggio around.

What I don't understand is why is this situation a surprise to KW and Ozzie? If they wanted to avoid a situation where they had a 4 million dollar bench player, they should have never traded for Everett last season with Carl have the player option for this season. I just hope Ozzie doesn't make the mistake of continuing to put Everett in the outfield. His defense will lose us as many games out there as his offense will.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jun 5, 2005 -> 06:26 PM) You would think if he was picking Timo over Frank, Timo would be in the starting line up everyday, and he wouldn't be benching Carl Everett for Frank Thomas. You might need a tinfoil hat to go with that theory. I never said that the agenda was to play Timo more than Frank....it's a complete different situation. There's no way someone can convince me that Timo deserves to be on the team more than Willie Harris right now. It just doesn't make sense. I would predict that every other team in the majors would send down Timo instead of Willie in a similar situation.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jun 5, 2005 -> 06:19 PM) Where the heck would you get that from? The fact that Ozzie is benching a guy on pace for 100 RBIs for Frank? Or the newspaper article with no basis in fact that siad they were trying to trade Frank? That's just insane. Who cares if Ozzie is benching a guy on pace for 100 RBIs....it's the same player who had been just god awful against right handed pitching for the last two months. If you can't tell that Ozzie has an agenda to keep Timo on the team when he's the obvious person that should be released....you're being a little naive (and no, I'm not talking about Ozzie and Timo's mythical affair).