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Well, this should upset a whole bunch of people.

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 20, 2009 -> 01:52 PM) Since when does Jermaine Dye have a poor arm? Scott Podsednik and Dwayne Wise have poor arms. JD does not. His fundamentals are garbage, his arm isn't nearly strong enough to make up for catching near every ball flat footed and most with his momentum moving in the opposite direction of the intended target. I've been saying this for years and every metric that attempts to quantify arm strength backs it up.

QUOTE (Cali @ Jul 20, 2009 -> 01:23 PM) I'm all in favor of Dye as the DH next season, but honestly, do you think he's just gonna accept the demotion? It's partly a slap in the face. "We don't think you can play the outfield position you've been playing for 13 years anymore" Some guys have a hard time adjusting to only playing half the game as far as staying warm etc. JD seems like a pro, but you never know.... I actually agree with you and I think his current reputation as a very good defensive outfielder would play a big role in such a situation. Dye will be 36 years old next year and is already one of the least effective fielders in the game thanks to his non-existent speed and poor arm, it's only going to get worse with time. If he's not open to a major decrease in RF playing time then there's going to have to be a change, at a certain point the Sox are gonna have to place a premium on defense, something they've failed to do in recent years.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 20, 2009 -> 12:49 PM) Over the last 5, it's Johan. But over the last couple, it has to be either Lincecum, Haren, or Halladay. I'd love to see a case made for this that doesn't heavily value CG.

QUOTE (rangercal @ Jul 20, 2009 -> 09:45 AM) Fixed. I don't see how Haren's overall numbers are better than Johan the last 3 years. Major league ranks since the start of the '07 season: Haren Santana ERA+: 1st 3rd WHIP: 1st 3rd K/9: 7th 4th K/BB: 1st 9th IP: 3rd 3rd HR/9: 14th 24th QS%: 1st 3rd

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jul 19, 2009 -> 10:20 PM) I was going to say Santana with out looking at any stats, so glad to see that the stats back that up. Awesome to see Mark in the top 10 there as well. If any of you stat guys have some time I'd be interested to see where Buehrle ranks since he came into the league overall. Best pitchers by ERA+ from 2001 to present w/ at least 1530 IP over that time (180 IP per + 90 IP for this year): (keep in mind this is an incredibly subjective timespan) 1.) 152 - Johan Santana 2.) 144 - Roy Halladay 3.) 137 - Roy Oswalt 4.) 132 - Randy Johnson 5.) 127 - Tim Hudson (everybody forgets about Tim Hudson) 6.) 123 - Mark Buehrle 7.) 121 - CC Sabathia 8.) 117 - Derek Lowe 9.) 114 - Mike Mussina 9.) 114 - Andy Pettitte Mark has the most IP in the game over that timespan.

QUOTE (qwerty @ Jul 19, 2009 -> 10:15 PM) Did you get baseball reference's play index? Yes, about 6 weeks after I said I would.

'03-'08 is a six year span, not five. Anyway . . . Highest ERA+ between '03 and '08 w/ at least 1000 IP over that span: 1.) 156 - Johan Santana 2.) 143 - Brandon Webb 3.) 140 - Roy Halladay 4.) 136 - Roy Oswalt 5.) 132 - Carlos Zambrano 6.) 128 - CC Sabathia 7.) 125 - Jake Peavy 7.) 125 - Ben Sheets 9.) 124 - Tim Hudson 0.) 119 - Mark Buehrle Josh Beckett is 12th This is more or less what I was talking about: Highest ERA+ from '07 to date (min: 450 IP): 1.) 152 - Dan Haren 2.) 150 - Tim Lincecum 3.) 146 - Johan Santana 4.) 144 - CC Sabathia 4.) 144 - Brandon Webb 6.) 138 - Roy Halladay 7.) 135 - Jake Peavy 8.) 132 - Josh Beckett 9.) 128 - Matt Cain 9.) 128 - Adam Wainwright 11.) 127 - Mark Buehrle 12.) 126 - Felix Hernandez 12.) 126 - Cole Hamels 12.) 126 - John Lackey 12.) 126 - Cliff Lee 16.) 125 - Roy Oswalt

QUOTE (Whitewashed in '05 @ Jul 19, 2009 -> 08:02 PM) Roy Halladay has been arguably the best pitcher in baseball for the past couple years. With that said I do not want him as it would cost too much. Giving up Lexi and Danks and/or Jenks and a some of our best minor leaguers? I don't think so. Besides like others I'm sure have mentioned he's getting a little old with a ton of mileage on his arm and he's good for like a DL stint each year it seems. I'd love to see this argument.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 19, 2009 -> 10:47 AM) Wow...wrong 5th lowest team ERA in baseball.

QUOTE (onedude @ Jul 19, 2009 -> 01:08 PM) He has never struck out more than once in a game. Great discipline. I'm fairly confident he'll finish his career with substantially more BB than SO. As of now his BB/K is already above league average at 0.60 (0.51). Another good sign his is XBH% which is also above major league average at 8.5% (7.9%).

Remove the first 4 games of his major league career and he's hitting .330/.397/.491/.888 in 127 PA. Remove the first 8 games of his major league career and he's hitting .361/.427/.546/.974 in 111 PA.

QUOTE (DC23MVP @ Jul 18, 2009 -> 04:41 PM) This would be huge for the city of Milwaukee if they can land the best pitcher in baseball. Rumors here is that the Brewers have a package in place but have yet made a formal offer to the Jays and Gord Ash the Brewers exec. was in Toronto yesterday. It all depends on who they give up though for me. I thought this thread was about Roy Halladay?

Awww you missed me.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jul 18, 2009 -> 06:11 PM) I was trying to make the point that it doesn't matter what someone's stats are if you don't count their bad games. It might be a little different when you're discounting the first few games of his major league career.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jul 18, 2009 -> 05:37 PM) You must have gotten a new job or something you black asshole. Combination of things. You'll see me in the chat a lot more starting Monday.

Thank you lord.

There's the good hammer.

Jermaine Dye is frightening slow for an outfielder.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 18, 2009 -> 05:20 PM) .804 on the season? .296/.364/.440/.804

Beckham's OPS is not right around .800.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 18, 2009 -> 04:36 PM) He's hitting .327 with a .881 OPS in July. I'd be impressed, except Getz is showing him up by hitting .375 with a .932 OPS in July. QUOTE (beautox @ Jul 18, 2009 -> 04:39 PM) lets just add to the mix alexei ramirez .389 .432 .528 .960 july Thome: .351/.442/.649/1.091 and 15 RBI in 10 July starts not counting today. He's up to .264/.408/.524/.933 on the season with a couple of hits and a walk today.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 18, 2009 -> 03:21 PM) The good thing about Huff is that he should cost nothing in players if you pick up less than 1/2 season of salary. He's a decent run producer who would help us. Williams has had chances to get some moderate outfielders and seems uninterested. He didn't like Sweeney (basically threw him in the Swisher trade), easily could have grabbed Josh Anderson and didn't, etc. That guy from Texas is in this mold, should come cheap, but I don't see Williams wanting him. Huff is in the final year of his deal and is only due about 3.5M for the rest of this year. If they do move him around the deadline they'll be looking for something decent in return, saving a little money this year isn't incentive enough to give away their 32 year old starting 1B for nothing.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Jul 18, 2009 -> 03:09 PM) I believe they can still track your IP adress. Last time I had it they were going by the address associated with your credit card.

QUOTE (knightni @ Jul 18, 2009 -> 03:03 PM) I meant possibly a better fielding 3B. Yeah, his career UZR/150 at 3B is right around Beckham's this season just as I posted.