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QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Nov 19, 2006 -> 04:12 PM) I'd be shocked if the purported contract was correct. 90mil/6yrs is fairly generous within the current market. I can't believe another club was unwilling to match this, and the supposed 26milper option years. As ridiculous as it may sound, if those two years are indeed options, I believe atleast one may entirely vested. If not, what would stop any ballclub from including ridiculous figures approaching the end of the contract? Anyone can guarantee Soriano 15 million and add two club/player options worth 46 million. Allowing Soriano the option before his 37 birthday to seek an a more promising contract, or remain for 23 million, will be his. The 8th and final year, as I would imagine, requires both the validation of player and club. Hey, if I'm wrong then the Cubs sure negotiated a fine deal. My ass they'll pay Soriano 23 million in either option season unless his production exceeds even his best season. Flash with 2 option years, one of the or both of them have to be mutual options or at least one player option.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Nov 19, 2006 -> 04:17 PM) So basically he is a little more advanced than Broadway. Reading that description, thats who it sounds like... If we are going to get rid of Garland, who is young and signed for a few years at below current market prices and throws a ton of innings also we need to aim in the top tier range, . We should be getting back something that has the makeup to be a number 1. What would the mets give up for Garland? Maybe this was a feeler deal where KW or someone on his side leaked the info to let other teams know so the pot could be sweetened. Someone will give us something good if we are giving up Garland.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Nov 19, 2006 -> 04:09 PM) What is the story on Penn? How does he project? I know nothing about him. I watched one game he pitched in the majors, and he got hit pretty well. I am sure Keith, Cheat or someone else that gets a better handle on other teams prospects can give more detail.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Nov 19, 2006 -> 04:00 PM) http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6185140 Now he is backing off... rotoworld basically is a bot sucking down stories. LOL

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Nov 19, 2006 -> 03:36 PM) The Tribune won't own the team those final couple of years, so they couldn't care less. I heard Trump wants to buy the Cubs and build a new stadium close to downtown. I wonder what the sheep would do then. Why would they have to tell them they moved. The eldery Iowan or wrigleyville drunk can barely see anyways. Just put cardboard cutouts, and have some piped in sound and the natives wont know the difference. Its not like with the 1908 based technology they have in the park that anyone will be able to refute it.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Nov 18, 2006 -> 10:56 AM) Whoever gets more on the market. After 06, no pitcher held the title "untouchable" If I had to make a list on who should be the 1st to go however. 1.Garcia 2.Count 3.Garland 4.Javy 5.Buehrle 6.Mac This is my thought also. If we can upgrade with a top young pitcher whomever gets us the best one is the one to go.

QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Nov 16, 2006 -> 11:17 PM) Nobody's excited except you and SS71, and Uribe killed SS71's dog. LOL

Here is a site that I have used before. http://bfads.net/ I have camped out at a location before starting as early as 3am. That was frys last year. Bought a 27 inch flat screen for $599.

QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Nov 17, 2006 -> 04:48 PM) I can't connect to Yahoo! and a host of other top internet sites. But I can post here and a bunch of other less frequented sites. I don't understand WTF is going on. I can access Yahoo fine. It could be an issue with your ISP and some routing tables. Our ISP at work couldnt access anything that was connected to broadwings network a few weeks ago.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Nov 17, 2006 -> 04:16 PM) Garland wasn't good last year either, in fact he was about as inconsistant as anyone but Freddy was worse. Freddy has also lost some stuff, is older and is under contract for less years. Garland is a better pitcher to keep around than Freddy, though if we can't trade Freddy, Jon is my next choice to go. The idea of this is not the pick on Freddy, but to prove a point. There are 3 ways you can improve your starting pitching and keep it good for a long time. Draft well, well lets go onto 2 and 3 shall we. You can pay big bucks on a the FA market for someone who is represented by Boras or you can trade for guys that have some upside. If we can replace one of our starters with Erwin. You achieve 2 things. You are making your rotation younger and cheaper. And I dont think you make it worse.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Nov 17, 2006 -> 04:11 PM) Exactly which day were the Sox dead for the playoffs? For me it was the series in Oakland, you know, the series right AFTER Freddy almost threw a perfect game. Garland vs. Garcia IP: 211.1 vs. 216.1 W: 18 vs. 17 L: 7 vs. 8 ERA: 4.51 vs. 4.53 WHIP: 1.36 vs. 1.28 K/BB: 2.73 vs. 2.81 OBA: .328 vs. .308 SLGA: .460 vs..444 ERA+: 103 vs. 103 (For CWSguy, Cheat and qwerty ) Where was this magical stuff during the time when we had a lead in the wild card race and when we were in a stone throw of the division. When we were in Oakland we were on life support for the season. To me the season was lost in July and August when the team crapped the bed, Including your super pitcher Freddy. You can cherry pick all you want. During the 2nd part of the season, he had a crappy July and a crappy August. Which is the stretch run time for the playoffs. By the time we hit september we were on life support and needed all sorts of magic to get in. He had a nice month of september. If he decided to pitch like that in August or in July would it of helped a bit more. Probably.

QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Nov 17, 2006 -> 03:52 PM) Freddy's ERA was over 5 all year long before that last little run of his to end the season. Anybody from John Kruk to Cecil Fielder could've swiped a base off him last year. Look, I like Freddy. I really do. But he's never gonna be the same pitcher again with the decrease in his velocity. He's still better than average. He can be dominant on some nights. But the Freddy from Seattle, or even his first couple years with the Sox, is gone. If we can get a stud like Santana from him, you have to do it. That sealed his fate as far as I'm concerned. Even if that's how you really feel, YOU NEVER ACTUALLY ADMIT IT! No way in hell Kenny/Ozzie will tolerate that bulls***. Freddy for Santana? See ya, Freddy! How many times did ol Freddy show up his players. He would throw his hands up and pout like a child on the mound when someone made a mistake. maybe they should of been throwing their hands up when he lobbed that 86mph heater down the middle that got crushed over the fence.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Nov 17, 2006 -> 03:39 PM) Freddy Garcia was arguably our best pitcher last season, yet people are so quick to kick him to the curb. How many times did he step it up big time when we neede him the most? Judging by his record and numbers with the Sox, it happened a lot more time than the situation you are mentioning. His clutch ass had a 5.72 ERA in August and a 5.52 ERA in July. That was the clutch part of the season when we went from being 6 games up on the wild card to running behind. He s*** the bed in the bronx when we needed him to be clutch. It was on the road, during the day against a good team. Well they were depositing dongs over the fence. We needed him to pitch well when the season was on the line, not after the entire thing was pretty much done. But he decided to show up in september after pretty much the entire thing was put to bed. Thanks for showing up Mr. 86mph.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Nov 17, 2006 -> 03:13 PM) What are you trying to say about Ervin? He's pitched about 135 innings on the road. Are you saying those innings have any predictive value whatsoever? You honestly believe he's going to be a six ERA pitcher going forward because his road stats (which, as I said, are in an extremely limited sample)? Maybe you're not meaning that, but it sure seems like you're indicating that you'd strongly dislike a Garcia for Santana trade. BTW, call me crazy, I'd throw in Fields even if we didn't get anything back besides Santana. One year of Garcia + Six years of Josh Fields for what, four years of Ervin Santana? Hellzz yes, although I don't really like Fields as a prospect, so maybe that clouds my judgement. I am with you on this, if you can send Freddy and his 86 mph fastball and large amount of money he is going to get and you can replace it with a pitcher of Erwin's ilk, who is young. Think about it this way, you are starting to build a younger cheaper rotation that can compete in our tough pitching division for years. Sign me up for the where can I sign club. And people are actually arguing to keep Freddy, not to be too rude, what the f*** are they smoking. Did they or did they not watch him pitch last year. How many times did this guy dog it against a team that he couldnt get up for, because it was beneath him.

QUOTE(Soxfest @ Nov 16, 2006 -> 10:15 PM) Do not understand this trade at all. Still destroyed by the release of Timo also I am sure.

QUOTE(TitoMB345 @ Nov 16, 2006 -> 10:04 PM) ^^^ Even if this is some sick display of sarcasm, its totally true. He is the worst hitter I've seen in a long time. Sure, his defense is pretty good (not GG caliber), but hes got one of the worst hitter's eyes in the league. Uribe's glove is gold glove caliber. Think about it this way. He had to work to fend off Brian Anderson for the worst starters batting average.

People are seriously getitng upset that we are possibly ditching the tasmanian devil. A guy who would literally swing at a ball bounced in. A guy who hit .235 and basically told the radio crew, I am going to hit a home run every single time. The same people upset at this are probably the same that are bent out of shape that we didnt keep Clutch Valentin, and the super sub known only as OMIT. Watching Uribe swing a bat is the most sickening display of crazyness I have ever seen. He cannot control himself, and his front foot for the most part winds up facing the third baseman as he poses for his dong. Meanwhile the catcher is firing that ball over to 3rd because Taz decided to swing at the close neck high pitch on 0-2. Come on now.

QUOTE(BurlyMan56 @ Nov 16, 2006 -> 09:41 PM) Starting off, this may or may not be a bad trade. What irritates me is the fact that Kenny may have pulled the trigger a little early on this one. With lefties like Jamie Walker getting 3 years 12 mil..Teams that need that lefty outta the pen who couldn't get it through free agency may have inquired about Cotts later on...Thus, giving us the tools to get more... Does Cotts make below 1 mil? I feel Cotts would definetly better and an obvious bargain when there's Jamie Walker's out there gettin 4. Not upset with Cotts getting traded, just thought a desperate team might give up more later on for a young lefty guy that a year ago posted an ERA under 2. People like Jaime walker get lefties out. That is the big difference between a LOOGY and Cotts. For everyone who is basing their memories off the of WS DVD and commemerative pin set, watch a few times when Ozzie summoned Cotts from the pen and he got b**** slapped in a crucial game. Mauer is probably upset that he cant hit some more backbreaking jacks of Mr. one pitch anymore.

I have a new analogy when it comes to our fine guesser Mr. Levine. The only thing that makes a rumor more worthless than hearing the bombadeer give his word on it from ESPN 1000, is to see it in print on mlbtraderumors.com. Either one is the kiss of death.

Does Alex spin himself into the ground and try to jack every single pitch for a homer. If the answer is no, then this is an upgrade. Mr Uribe only plays well when his job is threatened.

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Nov 16, 2006 -> 03:22 PM) Are you telling me the xbox360 had 0 bugs when it was released... and they already said the problem will be able to be fixed with online updates so its not a big deal. Software bugs can be fixed, harware bugs require a recall which they never do.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Nov 16, 2006 -> 03:33 PM) Cotts and Buerhle were equally as bad last year. I think Cotts had a mechanical flaw making him very hittable. If Cooper is such a magician, why not keep Cotts? Aardsma's claim to fame is he is now the first player listed in the Baseball Encyclopedia. Cotts was bad in 2006, but I think he'll rebound, although maybe not as a starter. I think the Sox would have been better off holding on to him and deal him after he had a nice 2007 season. His mechanical flaw is the same mechanical flaw he has had since we picked him up from the As. The latin phrase for it is ....nonthrowusstrikustomuchus. He constantly gets behind every hitter, and then whammo. Cotts was bat in 2004, maybe the oddity was 2005 and he became Neal Cotts again. Like uncle cliffy became the same pitcher that was tossed by the bullpen retarded Blue Jays. He has been in the league for how long and hasnt learned how to throw a decent breaking pitch. I mean come on now.

QUOTE(ptatc @ Nov 16, 2006 -> 03:16 PM) it was also said that he has 4 major league pitches. The sneaky fastball, the not so sneaky fastball, the slower fastball that moves a bit, and the meatball.

QUOTE(FlaCWS @ Nov 16, 2006 -> 02:16 PM) Exactly... I thought we learned our lesson last year with the bullpen. We gave up Marte, Vizcaino and of course lost Hermanson to injury. Not that Marte and Vizcaino were great, but you can never have enough depth in that bullpen and look how much we scrambled last year to get the bullpen back in shape. Cotts, like Marte, is coming off a tough year, but I think we're giving up too fast here. Those hard-throwing lefties are too hard to come by. Gotta be more patient with them, IMO. Not liking this. Marte was poop on a stick last year I dont see exactly what we missed. Was it the hiding of injuries, the quitting on the team during the stretch run, or his propensity to plunk a lefty over getting him out.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Nov 16, 2006 -> 01:24 PM) Cubs fans also think that Cotts+Cedeno will bring them Westbrook from the tribe. LOL I would rather have our team face Cotts than Westbrook anyday. We never seem to have the ability to hit him. If they use this to package anyone over to get Westbrook out of our division, then KW made a great deal.