southsideirish71

Okay I have to ask. Why out of all of the crimes we talked about? You decided that Fraud was the hill you wanted to build your argument on and to ensure it was penalized more.

"All" crime. This simplistic one thing causes all is not correct. I can agree that poverty and your upbringing can impact a persons development. However there are people who are rich that are evil. There have been trust fund babies and millionaires who have also killed people. Just creating your socialist utopia where everyone is equal might seem great. But people are still human. And the minute someone comes home and finds their wife in the bed with their best friend. Your theory goes to shit. Crime will happen no matter how much you flatten the curve. The types of crimes and the numbers might change. But people are people. And some people suck. Show me one socialist utopia where there is no crime because you have eliminated it with equality. I will wait.

So serial killers who are mainly white and middle class are killing people because of socioeconomic conditions? What about rapist? What about pedophiles? Murder? Domestic Abuse? Child Abuse? You can counter this and point to certain types of crime and find a correlation with the act and the motivation with regards to their situation. But some people would commit crime no matter what their situation is. You can terraform society all you want. Its not going to eliminate crime.

Really. So explain organized crime to me. Do you think that the Outfit in Chicago or the mob is made up of people who are currently suffering from being rejected by society. Do you think they are doing this to put 3 meals a day on the table.

I am sorry. Organized groups of people who use alternative means of obtaining wealth and pharmacy. I am sorry that I offended the Latin Kings and Gangster Disciples constituent of soxtalk. My bad.

I love this defund the police movement. Maybe in your new utopia the police are not needed and you can send your army of social workers and others out. Great I cant wait to hear how a social worker is going to stop gang bangers from shooting each other. Maybe some therapy, a hug, or a stern look in their general direction. Maybe as you empty the prisons you can give us your address so we can target an area to relocate the serial killers, murders, child molesters, rapists and other violent offenders. I sure as hell dont want them in my back yard. I am sure they didn't get enough love and opportunities when they grew up as well. Well good luck with your experiment.

Almost 1200 people have been shot in Chicago this year. 5 involved the police. It's amazing how we overlook the systematic violence that happens outside of the police. I can't wait to see how you fix rape, murder, armed robbery without prisons. Maybe you think you can rehabilitate the child molester. How about the serial killer. Maybe some intervention with a social worker.

Good luck with that. The first gang banger who decides to disobey your volunteer non-violent force. Good luck arresting anyone that has a weapon. It will be the wild west.

Ban chokeholds and strangleholds Fine no problem Require de-escalation De-escalation is fine as long as its not an imminent threat. Require warning before shooting Well this depends on the situation. I am not going to wait 20 minutes and banter with the suspect if he is openly shooting at me, or pointing a firearm at me, or is branishing a deadly weapon and moving toward me. This is not the old west where I am going to quick draw mcgraw him. There is a difference between pulling a weapon and warning a suspect to de-escalate. There is another where I am not going to wait to see if he shoots me first before I return fire. Exhaust all other means before shooting Well this depends on the situation. If you feel your life or another life is in danger waiting for the person to be talked off a ledge is pointless. I agree in principle this is good, and most officers never want to discharge their weapon. Duty to intervene and stop excessive force by other officers Fine no problem Ban shooting at moving vehicle A car can be a weapon. There is a difference between someone shooting at a fleeing car vs a car charging at you. So if the point is to stop shooting a fleeing vehicle sure. If its a car charging at me. Sorry I am shooting the bad guy and not telling them well I didnt shoot him but send my widow some flowers. Require use-of-force continuum This is fine. But once again. This cant turn into what LA was proposing. I see a bad guy with a gun. The police should leave to descalate the situation. Well great. Until the bad guy shoots your family member and you find out that a cop took off because the bad guy had a gun. Require comprehensive reporting each time an officer uses forces or threatens to do so This already pretty much happens

Okay well lets get details. What does this system look like.

Well Mr Day in Court. Most of these are settled. Like the one where a police friend of mine saw a car at 3am driving with its lights off. He pulls behind it puts on the spotlight and runs the plate. The car comes up stolen. He then turns his lights on and the car takes off at a high rate of speed. He pursues for about a mile then gets told to abandon the chase due to danger. About 5 miles away, that same car who ran away at a high rate of speed blows out a tire and the car flips. They arrest the two teenagers. The parents get a lawyer and sue the police dept and the officers involved. They settled it to make it go away. Now would the police officer like to have his day in court. Sure. His employer however wants to mitigate every case. And I am glad you are okay with the rioters because they have been oppressed. I hope you were okay back in the 70s with my countrymen blowing up department stores in England because we were oppressed as well.

Actually I was born in Ireland. I lived on the south side and I am Irish and I am a US citizen. I also worked in law enforcement as well. Most of the people I have encountered in law enforcement are in it for the right reasons. They care about their job, they care about doing the right thing. Just like any career like this you have people that should never be the police. There is a sect that joins the police for the same reason they join the military. The fantasy of power. They are usually easy to identify, but once again. The union makes it hard to weed them out. Just like its hard to weed anyone out when you have a contract and collective bargaining. The funding you speak of for the "military" style weapons are typically part of grants usually part of a federal program. This is not the local tax dollars buying tanks. Its a grant that gives you access to a specific item or items. The local tax dollars are more for operational costs. The police were uniforms. Outside of the tactical side of the house which is special operations such as srt/swat the average police office wears a normal uniform and has a police car. The police cars are manufactured by Ford/Chevy and are not military style. They have a hopped up engine, some stabilizing bars, a barrier for the detained, a terminal. They are typically painted ether to be very visible as a deterrent or dark for the ability to mask themselves typically for traffic interdiction. They were bullet proof vests which are bulky. They have their firearm, their secondary, a mag light, the less than lethal weapons, their star. I dont know what you want them to wear.

1000s of officers caught on video? 1000s really? I think you misplaced a zero. Cops doing stupid things, I just said up in my post fire them and if its criminal prosecute them. But I think its a bridge two far to say lets defund police. Because if you think that ditching the police is a good thing then you have lost your mind. If there are no gatekeepers eventually it becomes a free-for-all. Look at the looting situation. This is happening as coordinated attacks that are benefiting on the police being stretched thin reacting to protests. Do you think that each of these people doing this would do the same thing if there was a real possibility that they would be imprisoned for the crime. Hell I watched some lady take 20 minutes loading a bed and box spring on channel 7 news the one night. She didnt have a worry in the world. She had time to ask her fellow looters to help her get the stuff on her car. Why did this happen? Because the police were not there. So let me riddle you one back. Is it okay to shoot police because a few officers, not thousands, are taking things too far.

Well they are also shooting cops as well. 4 shot last night in St. Louis. Then this wonderful guy decided to shoot a cop in Vegas last night. And a couple of cops got ran over in NYC. But yes lets defund the police because its the cool thing to say. Are there bad police sure. There are bad people all over. Remove the unions from protecting them.. Fire them. And prosecute them with the fullest extend of the law if they fuck up. But all of these assholes who are using this as an opportunity to play grand theft auto live edition and shoot police and loot businesses can go fuck themselves. If you buy into that this is acceptable then you are truly lost. And for all of those who think we dont need police and can defund them. Good luck with that. I hope you are ready for GTA live edition all the time.

I don't hate you. I don't know you. You are an anonymous person that types nonsense on a message board. Your act is annoying. You could be my neighbor, you could be a 78 year old nun from my parish, you could be a 17 year old kid getting his rocks off by annoying a message board. Who the fuck knows. It doesnt matter.

Unless you live in Kansas. You don't care. Just like no one cares about Illinois, unless you live here or you live next to the state.

Your troll act is comical. Baseball, politics, religion...it doesnt matter. Its the same. 1.) Greg Hottakes - You read something, post it and ask question in the same tense if you were a 90 year old who never witnessed the industrial revolution. Then dig deeper with your logic, which is neither logic or insightful. I am conservative and typically vote republican. But for the love of god I dont start any debate with "I heard this from Rush Limbaugh. Or Trump tweeted this." If you cant separate being conservative with listening to the Orange Man and agreeing with everything he says then I dont know how you can be salvaged. 2.) Greg Remote-Google You ask others to lookup and provide facts that you yourself could easily put in a search engine and get the facts for. 3.) Mount Greenwood nostalgia - You flashback to your younger years at Brother Rice and playing stickball in the park. Has the neighborhood changed. Is Brother Rice still good at football. Is Suzy still mad at you. This can be solved by Googling, see #2.) 4.) You live in Kansas. No one outside of you gives a flying fuck what the residents of your backwater little town consider current events. No one cares about Kansas. I have relatives that live in Kansas. I dont call them and ask them their views of world affairs. Every person on this forum lives somewhere. We dont qualify everything with, Well the people of Downers Grove, Lisle, Oak Park, Orland Park, etc are asking .....X. My town is full of shit, just like the next one. Just like yours. Stop by qualifying that you live in Kansas. Everyone here knows you live there. No one cares about your zipcode.

So what happens if a viable vaccine takes 10 years to develop. Do you re-evaluate your risk taking then. Or are you going to hunker down and live in a cave for 10 years. While I am hopeful of the existing vaccine research this is a new virus and its not a guarantee that it will be successful. I mean this is the only problem with waiting for a cure. I am socially distancing and doing my part. My job is already 100 percent remote and I am part of most companies critical infrastructure. A lot of people are not. My neighbors are acting like its spring break. One of them had a bonfire in his front yard and I counted over 50 people drinking and not socially distancing. I don't see how this is going to be sustainable especially here were we really only have a few months of golden weather. I think is all going to become bedlam in the next few weeks. Next Saturday is going to be 80+.

So Pritzker cited that if we opened up in may we would get hit with a second wave. So explain this to me. How is opening up in June or July going to change the numbers. We are seeing the virus spread in warmer climates. The study says that due to not having a vaccine the minute we open up the virus will skyrocket again. In fact the model he is using has more deaths than NY which makes zero sense. So how exactly do we open up if that's the case ever, until there is a vaccine.

On paper. My guess is China still leads this.

Good luck with that comrade.

So we bunker in place for 3 months. Then we come out of the bunker and wave 2 hits. then we bunker in place for another 3 months. then we come out and wave 3 hits. I don't see how this scales to tell people to bunker for the next year. Is this the plan. One year of isolation?

This isn't even close to being true. For most companies they have private connectivity between their locations and datacenters/cloud providers. Its typically dedicated and not using a shared medium like the internet. The service providers peering links and inter-connects are under massive stress right now. Most companies build out for about 35% max utilization for remote services. Now you have taken their entire population and have popped them off at home. So besides the obvious remote access connection bandwidth, you have remote meetings, people are going to binge more Netflix/hulu/etc, and of course game. I have been pretty busy building out capacity over the last week to keep up with demand. The internet is built around a best-effort model. Its not built like your enterprise wan at your company. Nanog has been talking about this since we have seen the network traffic invert.

How you survived the interview process is beyond me. Hopefully they allow the byo peripherals that you plan on plugging into their production equipment. If they don't and you insist on playing that game you wont have to worry about the cost of parking and the metra. You will be back home where its safe.

God speed