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Some of the best work you have done so far SF1. Very nice.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 01:15 PM) An attack on Isreal *IS* an attack on the US according to agreements in place and well understood throughout the world. If its an allegedly coming from "Al Queda". Who do we nuke. Before we detonate Nuclear weapons over a country we will need proof like nothing else. I can see it now. A B2 drops a 1 megaton nuke on Tehran. They might deserve it, however how many people would be protesting it.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Dec 12, 2005 -> 10:57 PM) You know, now that I think about it, it's gonna bea tough for anyone not to pick Brazil. As long as they have Ronaldinho, Ronaldo, and Roberto Carlos....they'll be tough. Ronaldinho is arguably the best player in the world right now. But playing in Germany, Germany will be a favorite to with Oliver Kahn mining the net. It's gonna be a great World Cup. Oliver Kahn has had so many personal issues and is not the same GK that he was in the last WC. Ballack is good and all, but they do not play the creative football that the Brazilians play. The Brazillians have so many guns, Kaka/Ronaldo with Ronaldinho creating havoc is pretty nasty. The Brazillians have to be the favorites. The dutch are my dark horse for going to the finals.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 01:05 PM) 11-15 4.47 ERA Todd Ritchie 2001 29 years old 11-15 4.42 ERA Javier Vazquez 2005 28 years old Pretty scary huh? What was the Counts record and ERA before he became game 1 starter of the WS for the White Sox.

QUOTE(Rex Kickass @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 12:51 PM) The response comes from us, comes from Great Britain, probably even France (despite the state being traditionally Anti-Semitic) and it comes so immediately, the Iranian government wouldn't have time to deny it or even regret their decision. Okay, so an atomic bomb detonates inside of Israel. The world reacts, the news presses jump at it. Panic sets in. Then 10 minutes later a video of a masked man speaking Farsi with a picture of the flag of Palestine calling for Jihad and that the will of Allah has been commited and says they are the Jihad Warriors of the World and they are alligned with Al Queda. So do you think that after we obliterate Iran, that a lot of people might get miffed that we jumped too soon. That it could of been terrrorists. Maybe they got their weapons from North Korea, or from the black market from "missing" nukes in the former Soviet Union. Who knows. But before we take retalitory action there would have to be proof beyond a worlds reasonable doubt. Remember also this is not an attack on the US. So technically how are we justified to respond with nukes on Iran. It can become cloudy.

QUOTE(Rex Kickass @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 12:42 PM) But this is a state to state relationship. I find it unlikely that Iran would give its nuclear weaponry away to a non-state actor that they can not control. The risks are too high. If Iran is the only other nuclear power besides Israel, they know that a nuclear detonation in Israel means the end of Iran. Because A+B will equal close enough to C that so many people will rain fire down upon Iran that not even China would dare to step in. States have no problem giving away guns and small bombs to terrorist organizations because they know that they can always top them. But to give them your best firepower would be stupid - because what if they turn on you? As awful as a nuclear Iran would be for the region, it may lead to some stabilization. Iran wouldn't have to fear a US attack as much and could focus on either pressuring its neighbors to sway the way of Iran or focus on fixing the problems within its own society. The US doesn't want Iran to go nuclear - not because it fears an attack on Israel but more likely because it fears what would happen when/if that government falls apart. Will it be controlled like in the Soviet Union? Or will it be chaos like Iraq? The Soviet Union would be a not-so-good but best available option. Iraq would be a nightmare. The US would then actually have a vested interest in keeping some degree of military order and status quo in Iran and that does not taste well to any American government. It doesnt work that way. They could denounce the attack. Its not like Matlock would be out in the desert taking samples looking for reactor signatures. They could also claim that it was stolen. Plus it really doesnt matter. The minute that the Israelies attack Iran its over. The rest of the Islamic world will turn on Israel and attack as they would believe that the Jihad is here. Plus how big is Israel. How many Atomic bombs would it take to wipe it off the face of the earth. If you get the right amount of weapons inside, what is the response?

QUOTE(GreatScott82 @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 12:34 PM) The thing that confuzzles me most is: If our rotation can win a world series as is- why worry about 2007 right now? I understand as a GM you have to look down the road, but why do this trade now? If we are struggling and are not in 1st place by the deadline- than pull a trade. Kind of like the Loaiza-Contreras deal. I wouldnt assume that just because one year team A won the world series that the rotation of team A is the same next year. Garland or others could regress/get better. But the other teams we face could get better/regress. If the BoSox get Clemens. Facing Beckett/Clemens/Schilling could be a bit different that what we faced last year. It could be harder for us, it could be easier. One year doesnt translate success to the next year. See previous champions.

QUOTE(Rex Kickass @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 12:34 PM) Not that I'm saying anything about the case - this kid was molested and the dude ought to be in prison - regardless about how old the kid was. The kid was harmed by what happened to him and the priest ought to be punished, severely. But let's have a little perspective. In a lot of states the age of consent is 16. If someone dates a person that's 15 years and 364 days - does that make them anymore of a pedophile then if they date someone one day over that invisible line? The age of consent should be at the minimum 17 but I think 18. The age of consent for a lot of items has to be enforced to the letter of the law. I think the sicko who wants to date the 16 year old can wait the one day to molest(I mean date) the 16 year old. If you start to open up the grey areas then how far do you go.

QUOTE(hi8is @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 12:27 PM) :banghead 07? if we get vazquez? uhhhh bmack...mark.....garcia.....vazquez....and resign contreras I cleared it up. I was saying if we stay put and try and resign Jose and Jon and fail at both. Remember the price tag on pitching is silly now.

QUOTE(GreatScott82 @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 12:22 PM) And why do we want to take a chance with a guy like this? The Loaiza for Contreras deal was not a 'big' risk. But trading a sure thing in Garland for a question mark is scary. Even if it is the last year of his deal. Just ride the wave to another title and go from there. And in 2007 you have if you lose Jon and Jose due to FA. Buerhle Garcia Bmac ? ?

QUOTE(Mercy! @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 11:31 AM) May I interrupt to point out that the 34 year old sex offender in this particular case was not a pedophile according to all the evidence available in the news articles? My understanding is that there is a very big difference between adults who fixate on and abuse prepubescent children and those who abuse adolescents. The former have an extremely poor prognosis, while the latter may have a far better chance for a meaningful cure. I completely disagree with this. A pedophile is someone who molests children. If a person is underage then they are a minor and are protected the same as any child. Do you know that some pedophiles use the fact that if the 9 year old has breasts and has a period that she is a woman. Some other pedophiles fixate on the prepubescent look and look at smaller children. Either way they are both wrong. Some 12/13 year olds look like 18 year olds because they develop early. They should be afforded the same protection as the 12 year old that looks like a 12 year old. Because emotionally they are still a 12 year old. If you are attracted to children then you are out of touch with the rest of society and shouldnt be around children.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 11:40 AM) I guess the question to me is, do the pols in Iran mean what they say when they say that it is the obligation of Muslims everywhere to fight a holy war to slaughter the Jews and reclaim the homeland of Palestine? Do they really believe that their spot in heaven will be guarenteed by dying to rid the planet of Jews. Judging by the actions of Iran, and the Muslims who are dying in suicide attacks, I think it is definately credible to think that Iran would attack Israel if they had the capability to hit is with atomic/nuclear weapons. Plus its not like an ICBM will be launched from the sovereign nation of Iran letting the world know that they did it. Maybe a truck gets smuggled into Israel from Lebanon/Syria from Hezbollah. You know the guys that Iran has been arming for years with rockets, missles, and guns. Yes made in Iran and all. That truck drives the bomb into Israel and mushroom cloud time. The Iranians are happy as hell, and they can deny that it was them. With terrorists and terrorist regimes the laws of war dont exist. Armies wearing a flag or uniform dont meet on the battlefield. A truck with a warhead drives into a town square and then a flash of light and its over.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 11:36 AM) I'm not advocating the deal, I'm just citing what would happen. So we're still not on the same page. Damn you

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 11:33 AM) No, then you swing a deal where you trade Garland for something of value in a seperate deal. As usual you are completely lost. Its scary when you and I are on the same page on this. LOL

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 11:31 AM) So lets just say we do trade Duke and Young/Sweeney/Owens for Vazquez. Mark-Freddy-Jon-Count-Vaz? I would say Jon or the Count would be traded after that move. Bmac would be in the rotation as a very economical number 5.

QUOTE(R.J. @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 11:29 AM) Despite the surplus of starters it'd give us (which is not all that bad guys), El Duque + Young would be something we should do. Barring a career renaissance as a middle reliever, El Duque is not going to be of much use to us at all. And god bless Chris Young, he's a fantastic prospect, but we have outfielders all over the place and 3 spots to play them. Garland + Young is absolutely friggin ridiculous. That's a slap in the face. Unless something else was coming back our way. We have an overload of OF prospects. Maybe the Diamondbacks have something in their system that we are lacking and is a position of strength for them. Lets see the whole thing unfold. Remember the Thome trade. It was supposedly Contreras + Young or Bmac for Thome. How did that change. Names getting thrown out now is conjecture at best.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 11:26 AM) So then the Sox obviously dont feel comfortable for some reason with Mac as the 5th starter? Something just isnt right in this rumor..... I wouldnt read that much into that. I would say they feel less comfortable with two pitchers who are at the end of their contracts in 06. They probably feel they can sign one of them and not both. Its about building something that can dominate without becoming the Yanks with their payroll.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 11:19 AM) I just dont understand how it can be El Duque OR Garland. There not exactly in the same tier of pitchers.... It could be for Garland straight up or El Duque + Young. Garland then could be traded to another team for something else.

How much does everyone think that Garland is going to get on the FA market next year. I am thinking a whole lot. Dogs like Burnett are getting 5 year deals. Millwood probably will get a 4 year deal at a rediculous rate. These are pitchers who have had injuries. Now we have Jon Garland who is 1.) young 2.) sinkerballer 3.) Playoff proven. How much is he going to get on the open market. Konerko's heart was with the sox, he stated he wanted to go through the FA process but he wanted to resign here. Garland is a different story. Its cha-ching time. I can see some team giving him a 5 year deal. Now do you really think that the whitesox will match a 5 year deal. Is Garlands heart with this team through and through. I say you get Vasquez for a few years, you keep the core of the team together and you have 5 good pitchers on this team. Remember in the end we are trying to build this like the Braves. You lose parts but not the whole.

QUOTE(KipWellsFan @ Dec 12, 2005 -> 05:26 PM) I can't believe Arnold Schwartzenegger was forced to decide whether someone lives or dies. Just think about that for a second, f***in' ridiculous. Are you Tookie Connor?

Nice to see that the apple doesnt fall to far from the tree. Tookie's Son wanted for rape of a 13 year old Time for the son to take up writing childrens books telling people about the dangers of sexual assault.

If he was a white guy from Connecticut, he would of been part of the mean street possee in the WWE.

Common Pleas Judge Pamela Dembe - who cried openly during the hearing - apologized several times because, "I cannot tell you I am doing the right thing." Disgusting. This poor excuse for a priest, should be de-frocked, ex-communicated, and sent to prison for a long long time. Pedophiles cannot be redeemed. This creature will do these acts again. Sentencing guidelines need to be adhered to. An animal is back out to hurt children again. And the people who support this freak. Remember your priest is a swell guy and all, but he is a criminal. Gacy was a clown. Bundy was a nice young man. Michael Jackson is an entertainer.

Okay I can play along with those who want the death penalty abolished now that we are housing said psychopathic killer on the goverment dime for the next 30-50 years what about the following. Lets play make believe, lets eliminate the death penalty. Woosh, its gone. Now what. Can we eliminate their phone privilieges. It seems that some of the killers in illinois seem to get judges/relatives of law enforcement and specifically vicitims familys personal information and like to make phone calls. And yes they do make phone calls and mess with the people, because some of them get a kick out of torturing the victims families and blame the law enforcement for putting them there. Can we eliminate their mail or screen it for content. I did love the "Execute the Law, Not the people Free John Wayne Gacy" letterhead we received monthly from John when he would send letters to certain law enforcement agencies in cook county. It was touching, but a waste of my time. Can we elminate the sale for profit of "X the serial killers life story". Do they really need full cable TV? I mean I have to pay for it. Do they need to get married? Just because a Jerry Springer show contestant wants to be on "So I married a serial killer" do we need to make it happen. Do they need internet access? Now obviously the criminal(sorry thats judgemental of me(guest of the state)) cannot be in solitare because that is torture. So lets put him back into general popluation. And our guest of the state has nothing to worry about, he cannot be killed by the government. So now in general population how do we protect the other "guests of the state". Oddly I think he may be violent and in some cases horny. Can all states make sure that these people cannot vote. You can murder someone and end their voting right, but you can vote yourself. The answer to these and more most likely from the liberal side is no. Of course not, these are rights. And some people think that murders/rapists/pedophiles can be rehabilitated. That it was something wrong in their upbringing, maybe johnny didnt get the Nintendo 64 and feels bad about it. A few hours in the doctors chair and some meds and maybe Ted Bundy doesnt murder brunettes anymore. And for all those who really believe that I would suggest that you volunteer your neighborhood for a possible location where the rehabilitated move to. Oddly when they release pedophiles they pretty much start right up again. I do find it ironic that the cry of socials worker magazines out for the oppressed poor man who is about to be executed because he had a bad childhood and didnt have the materialistic items that you and I had forget that in most Socialist based governments Mr. Tookie would of been taken out after his trial and shot to death by a firing squad.

Marte couldnt get lefties out last year. So bascially we had a single lefty out of the pen with Cotts, and I would suggest that you check out his splits. Our lefties were better against righties than they were lefties. As Cheat has said time and time again, just because he throws with his left hand doesnt make him a bullpen requirement. Lots of guys that throw the ball with their right hand, also have better splits against lefties. We didnt have a true lefty specialist last year, and lots of teams survive without one. The Angels up until this year have had a predominantly righty bullpen for a while and they have been the best in the business. And as it has been said before the more righty/lefty options out of the pen you give Ozzie, the more you will see Cotts for a batter instead of as a setup guy. Be careful what you ask for, you may find yourselves b****ing out Ozzie for being "stupid" for buring Cotts for a batter because he has the luxury of having a second lefty out of the pen.