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QUOTE(jphat007 @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 08:25 PM) In the only stat that matters, how many runs a pitcher gives up over a comparable number of innings, which is the only thing he can control, Mark beats out Santana this year. I'm not sure how much more clear that can get. But Mark has given up 63 ER in 189.2 innings. Santana has given up 66 ER in 188 innings. So those 3 ERs really make a huge difference. This of course was up until tonights start.

QUOTE(jphat007 @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 08:22 PM) That wasn't your point. You said Santana shut poeple down more this year. I showed you he didn't. No actually you are saying that Mark B is a better pitcher over this year. Then you discounted Johan because he is a very miniscule amount behind with better numbers in ever other category.

QUOTE(jphat007 @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 08:16 PM) Shutting down? Buehrle has 11 starts giving up one run or less. Santana has 9 of a similar nature. Next? If Ryan offered Santana for Mark Buerhle straight up. KW would yell DEAL before Ryan got Santa out of his mouth.

QUOTE(jphat007 @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 08:14 PM) And that's exactly my point. The fact that you'd rather take a pitcher who gives up more runs is just incredible to me. I can't put it any other way. What that says is that the other guy's team scores more runs for him. I'd rather have that other guys offense, but I sure as hell don't want him over a guy with a 3.07 ERA. If Mark was playing MVP he would trade Johan to his team and play as him. LOL

QUOTE(jphat007 @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 08:07 PM) LOL. Yah, lets split up the halves, like that means anything. No reason in the year as a whole when looking a thte best pitcher. There is no argument about who has played better in the second half. I don't care about that. Buerhle has been better overall though. The most important stat for a pitcher is how many runs he gives up. Not how he does it, and Mark has been better in that this year. Furthermore, who cares about his Cy Young last year. What the hell does that have anything to do with who has been the better pitcher this year. I will make you a friendly bet and say that Johan has better numbers than Mark by the end of this year. And that is over the entire year. I like Mark, but lets be honest. You discount a pitcher that people fear to face, that can shut an offense down. Mark is a great pitcher, but he doesnt shut teams down.

QUOTE(jphat007 @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 07:54 PM) How has he proven anything. IN the only stat that matters, Burly has been better. Johan Santana 13-6 with a 3.13 ERA and a 1.00WHIP. He has 195ks and 36bbs overall. In the second half Santana is 6-1 with a 1.54 ERA a .90WHIP. He has 52ks and 10BBs. vs. Mark Buerhle 14-6 with a 2.99 ERA(before this start) and a 1.16WHIP, he has 115ks and 31bbs. In the second half he is 4-3 with a 4.02ERA with a 1.29 WHIP and a 30ks and 10BBs. I can see how Burly has been better, and Johan hasnt proven a thing , those damn Cy Youngs fall off trees like crazy

QUOTE(jphat007 @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 07:52 PM) Um. Get back to me when he has an better ERA. Please raise your hand if you would take Buerhle over Johan, or by that mark any of our pitchers over Johan.

QUOTE(jphat007 @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 07:48 PM) Only on this board do people get after the best pitcher in the league. It's incredible. Johan Santana is the best pitcher in the league.

QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 07:46 PM) 2 straight pathetic games. Thank god we wont go after Todd Walker, he just hits like crazy but is bad in the field.

QUOTE(jphat007 @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 07:31 PM) Well the offense played much better when Podsednik was not hurt. That was there point. We hit in the 250s with pod in April and May. There was this HOF hitting guy who came in around June and July. That was when we hit 270 as a team. Then when he gets hurt, we hit in the 220s. But if you think it was Pods who struck fear and got all those other hitters their good fastballs to hit instead of the HOFer that we havent replaced, to each their own.

QUOTE(Jenks Heat @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 07:25 PM) How the hell is this Buerhle's fault? Maybe if we got a f***ing rally we would have a shot. Let's see over the weekend we got 5, 4 and 2 runs in Minnesota we got 0 6 (yipee) and 2 runs. Prior to this we lost 7 in a row. The pressure on our staff is incredible as th likes of every hitter in this lineup underachieves. Pierzynski has 47 RBI's??? That is less than Uribe with 8 more home runs. Podsednik is a nice player but he isn't goign to turn this around. Rowand, well he has a nice outing in center at Yankee stadium. We are not the shoe in to the playoffs we think we are. We have not come back in a game in weeks (more than arun down). This was how we were a winning team. THIS IS NoOBUERHLE's FAULT. We are getting schooled by a s***ty pitcher YET AGAIN. Our pitching has been phenominal. We cant expect the staff to toss up zeros everytime they go up there. Sometimes they have a bad start, it happens. But our offense cannot compensate for that.

QUOTE(jphat007 @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 07:19 PM) So you go replace your starting infield on teh best team in the AL? THere is a reason you guys aren't GMs. Dont replace them. But hope to god that our pitchers completely and utterly shut down the opposition. Because if you dont mind a few hits by the 5th inning and scoring only on the dong, then you have this offense. We win games when we are at a 2-1, 3-2. If our pitching falters at all, do you think this team can come back and score a 3 or 4 spot.

QUOTE(jphat007 @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 07:16 PM) Exactly. we need them to start playing better, not try to go find replacements for them. Its the final week of August. At what point do you think that they will get better. This is the point in the season where the hitters should be hitting their stride, not finding their swings. That is what the first month or so of the season is there for.

QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 07:15 PM) Yes, I do. And I still think Varitek is an overpaid loud mouth on a team that's going nowhere this year. So he can shove it. So what is wrong with what he said.

6-0 Well we played like crap yesterday, and now we are doing the same today. 6 runs might as well be a thousand.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 07:09 PM) Not to mention the intimidation. The White Sox are getting to be a pretty comfortable oppenent for opposing pitchers. Adding Griffey would make everyone better. Too bad it isn't going to happen. It would have been perfect. Remember when everyone got bent out of shape when Varitek said that our offense doesnt scare anyone, that our lineup has a bunch of guys that are easily pitched to.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 07:07 PM) KW has about 2 days to save this offense. We have our big splash. Geoff Blum. Do you think that KW would of waited till this point to fix this? This is what we will get shut down in the playoffs with. This is our team.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 07:06 PM) Who on this thread honesty thinks the White Sox as they are constructed right now are serious WS contenders? If we had a medicore offense, sure. But with guys hitting below 200 for a month or so. No.

Why isnt gload up. I mean he is tearing up AAA. He hit well for us last year. This year he has barely gotten a chance. Yet he is a line drive hitter the kind we could use. Yet we have a team that gets 1 to 3 hit by every team through 5 innings. We may scratch out 5 or 6 hits, but scoring runs is only happening if someone hits a dong.

QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 06:53 PM) What is wrong with Buehrle? Josh this is a good hitting team we are facing. Lets not just discount their offense.

How much did Matt Lawton cost? How much will Todd Walker cost? There are options that dont K silly, or get no hit for large parts of the game. If our pitching doesnt pitch their asses off, we have a problem. KW needs to get a bat, he doesnt need to get KGJ. He needs to find a bat that is a higher average, good obp, that doesnt K at the clip our team does. Medicore pitching shuts this team down too easily. If we had a medicore hitting team, this team is a world series favorite.

Another pitcher no hitting this aenmic lineup. Now Hawk used the virus line about how bad hitting is contagious, I have a flashback from the guy giving the speeches in the Knights clubhouse in the Natural.

QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 04:28 PM) But..but..but....where would he play on Cleveland? They have Belliard at 2nd base already, and a terrific DH in Hafner. Oh, that's right.....it's called stacking your roster. It would make sense for a team to get a bat like Todd Walkers. He would boost our bench and give us a great bat off the bench late in a game. Plus protection if any injuries happen to our MVP.

QUOTE(JimH @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 04:21 PM) Has there been some speculation the Cubs would move Todd Walker to the White Sox, or was it strictly the Cleveland rumor? Walker can hit, no doubt about that. Just the dreams of some fans on a board right now. The only things so far is a comment by Todd Walker that he expects to be traded that I heard over the weekend, and the Cleveland rumor.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 04:04 PM) per stats inc Hitting With a short, quick stroke, Walker is an excellent contact hitter with line-drive power. He uses the whole field and was able to take good advantage of Fenway's left-field wall. On the other hand, he is capable of pulling the ball, and also takes good advantage of the hole on the right side when a runner is on first. He remains tough with two strikes. Walker had made progress against lefties in recent years but went backwards last year, and sometimes was rested when a southpaw was on the mound. His career on-base percentage against lefties is just .289, a serious liability for someone who hits near the top of the order. Baserunning & Defense Some were pleasantly surprised with Walker's defense last year, but that probably had more to do with his reputation than anything. A bad-glove rep has followed him ever since he lost his job in Minnesota in 2000. He is below average at the keystone, but he's hardly a disaster. He lacks range and fluidity, and he sometimes hurries his throws, but he turns the double play well enough. Walker has pretty good speed but took fewer chances on the bases last year with Boston's big bats coming up behind him. A left handed line drive hitter who doesnt K is something we need on this team. We have plenty of guys who can jack a homer, but we are missing guys who can get that 2 strike hit with regularity. Walker can hit, and who would you like to have coming off the bench in the playoffs, Walker or Timo.