southsideirish71

7 Walks. This is why we need to trade for a pitcher. Conteras doing this as our number 5, sure. Conteras doing this, and then El Duque doing the same thing with an 85 mph fastball the next day. God.

QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ Jul 1, 2005 -> 09:50 PM) I understand what you're saying here but he clearly doesn;t have anything tonight. No control whatsoever. Time for the hook. His last few starts havent been all that good. He has one decent start out of a few crapolas. Now DJ is talking about how stubborn Conteras is. LOL

They need to get someone up in the bullpen. When DJ is calling for the pen, that is about as obvious as you can get.

QUOTE(ZoomSlowik @ Jul 1, 2005 -> 09:45 PM) His WHIP is still lower than Mr. Schmidt over in SF. There is one factor that people dont take into effect. This guy wears down his own team. He pitches so slow, wild pitches, walks and just drags the game to a snails pace. People start to play bad behind him because they are waiting on everything. I would rather have some guy get hit a bit more than to do this. I bet our players feel like they played a double header after playing in one of these games. Thank god Buerhle, Garland and Garcia have been quick workers.

QUOTE(JimH @ Jul 1, 2005 -> 09:40 PM) He is right, that was an awful inning. I know you are goofing around here, but let's face it, Contreras is a head case. He keeps shaking off Pierzynski and that is total BS. Hey, if they deserve it, they should be criticized. There is nothing wrong with that. I was being funny. Contreras is Nuke from Bull Durham. He has a million dollar arm and a ten cent head. This is why I am dead against this guy pitching in the playoffs. He has the arm and the stuff. He lacks one major thing, balls. Everyone looks at his BAA and they drool. But his WHIP is rising like crazy and he basically kicks himself in the nuts all the time. He now leads the league in wild pitches.

40 SB for Pods. What a stud. Only 20 more to what Willie promised he was going to get this year at soxfest.

QUOTE(Soxnbears01 @ Jul 1, 2005 -> 09:31 PM) after all that, it's still tied. i'll take it. that was a terrible pitching inning, could have been alot worse No negative talk. That was just a different way of getting 3 outs. He is lulling them into a false sense of security. He only gave up 2 runs. I think he is ready to start game 4 for us in the playoffs.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jul 1, 2005 -> 03:02 PM) There's a difference between a "Few Tweaks" and sending off McCarthy, Uribe, Anderson, Sweeney, Fields, or some combination of those items for a gigantic name (schmidt, Chavez, Oswalt, etc.). Sending off a guy like John Rauch was last year, who may never have a real strong future in the big leagues, in exchange for a small piece of the puzzle this year (i.e. another guy in the bullpen or a backup 1b), is a lot different from most of what's been said on this board. Dont get me wrong. If we could pick up Chavez and Oswalt we would be nuts not to take that shot. I dont think either of them are available, so if thats the case we make a few tweaks. Chavez is a huge upgrade over Crede and Oswalt is a good pitcher also.

QUOTE(ZoomSlowik @ Jul 1, 2005 -> 02:45 PM) Who's to say Schmidt is really any better than Contreras? It's all a crap shoot. Both have the ability to go 7 or 8 innings of dominance, both have the ability to let up 3 runs in 6 innings, and both have the ability to get rocked. Also, Contreras has had a much better year. Schmidt has gotten his ERA down to 4.81 with a few good starts. Contreras' ERA has gone up to 4.15 after a few bad ones. After his start on June 7th, Contreras' ERA was 3.13. Think about that one for a second there. I like our chances with Contreras against Byrd and Wakefield. As for your assessment that you don't like our chances with Garcia/Garland against Schilling/Clement, we can't really assess those two players on the Red Sox at this point (and Garcia and Garland have been pitching just as well as Clement anyways). Schilling has had exactly one good start going back to last season's ALCS on the major league level, and Clement has a history of dominating for stretches and then sucking. We don't really know how they will be pitching by the time the playoffs come around. Anyways, I don't see the problem with one clear edge and 3 toss ups. You're pretty fortunate if you get a pitching matchup in you favor, which is bound to happen with the way our guys have been pitching. The only way we are in trouble then is if we have some really bad luck and loss all of the close games and end up down 3-1. I highly doubt that happens. Our top 3 have shown no signs of faltering. That's the important thing to consider going into the playoffs. Our top two prospects and $10 mil for next year is an awful lot to pay for basically one, perhaps two starts in the playoffs. If Conteras throws strikes he is very good. If he falls in love with his forkball then he will be meat. My only concern with Conteras facing Boston is the history there. Boston owns Contreras. Seattle sat at the trade deadline with 3 possible trades to make their team better in 2001. They passed for the same reasons we are talking about passing. Chemistry. Maybe if they upgraded at one position or had more more pitcher. Who knows. I would rather make a few tweaks than to stand pat.

QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ Jul 1, 2005 -> 01:08 PM) southsideirish71 is another roach that needs to be exterminated. I could probably come up with a list of like 30 to 40 of them. Usually I wouldn't say anything, but the admins need to start banning motherf***ers ASAP. Any money that these guys got banned at WSI or whitesox.com or wherever they came from. While I could never hang at places like those because of my truck driver type speak, I'm just going to assume that the Sox threads at those sites are way less annoying. Classy comment.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 1, 2005 -> 12:55 PM) Don't forget SSI71, him and Jabroni belong together. Glad to see I wasnt left out.

I think the sox will hit Harden well. He is a fastball pitcher and will challenge them over the plate. They hve more problems with finesse pitchers who paint the outside corner.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jul 1, 2005 -> 10:01 AM) What about 9th in baseball in runs scored??? You guys make this offense out to suck when in all honesty some of you guys are just spoiled with this team, they're so good and you just expect the hitting to be perfect, good pitching will shut down good hitting any day of the week and it happens with every team not just us. As I said in the game thread yesterday for the last few games the sox offense has been slumping but everytime they've had a little slump they've broke out of it so quickly. The offense is fine, it's not the best in baseball but they get every clutch hit and they score when the have to, period. I think our pitching is the best in baseball. The only thing that can mess that up if the cubans dont throw strikes. If both of them throw strikes and trust their stuff. Then there is nothing that touches our pitching. Our offense can be really good all the time. But come on, I listen to Rooney and Farmio and watch the game on TV. And all they state on the strikeouts is, wow he took a home run cut on that swing. So get on Farmio and Rooney, because they make similiar comments about the cuts at the plate.

QUOTE(Jabroni @ Jul 1, 2005 -> 09:51 AM) Lots of strikeouts, lots of homers, and ranked last in the MLB in doubles and triples. I think that's pretty valid and curious data. Thats Crazy Talk, our guys are hitting the ball to all fields and using defensive swings on 2 strikes. Stats dont tell the story

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jun 30, 2005 -> 10:47 PM) Does his contract say bajillion dollars?? Anyways, Chavez isn' t getting moved now with Oakland playing so well. We need to sweep them twice now. Put a nice hurting on them so bean rethinks his lets stand pat thoughts.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 30, 2005 -> 10:42 PM) Check his late May/June stats. He's currently exploding and having a very good season. Please Mr Williams make us a better team. So we dont become the 2001 Mariners as the team with the best record in baseball but do not get to the world series.

Chavez would be awsome. Lefty with good power and the ability to hit for average. Gold Glover at 3rd.

Now lets go to the 4th cavern of Hell and win a series this weekend.

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QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jun 30, 2005 -> 03:07 PM) This is my official thank you to Freddy Garcia. Holy s***, did you ever step it up today and save us from big trouble after last night's game. We raped Seattle in that trade. Olivo has been in AAA this year. Morse just went down because he can hit but cant play dfense. And Reed has been ok this year. Remember they also gave gobs of money to Adrian Beltre and his fluke year.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jun 30, 2005 -> 02:48 PM) Scott Podsednik Tadahito Iguchi Aaron Rowand So they all try to hit for homers everytime they come up? GMAFB. Pauly/Dye/Thomas/Crede/Uribe/Arow really shorten their swings up on 2 strikes. Pods and Gooch I will give you.

QUOTE(Hideaway Lights @ Jun 30, 2005 -> 02:47 PM) The problem here is that you assume our hitting will remain at a s***ty level all season. Given that Frank has been inconsistent and injured, Paulie and Crede have been inconsistent, the answer remains: we can start cleaning people's clocks once we start hitting. If this offense starts to hit consistantly we will be unstoppable. And that includes in the playoffs.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jun 30, 2005 -> 02:42 PM) What would you prefer? Better pitching and not so good hitting, or better hitting and not so good pitching, because we all know where that got us. My problem with the offense is that they swing out their ass every single time they get up to the plate. Watching guys take full home runs cuts with men on and 2 strikes is frustrating. Yes when they connect is makes for a nice rainbow home runs. This team has to do the little things to be sucessful. They lost some power from last year. They have to do more than just be one dimensional.

QUOTE(WhiteSox311 @ Jun 30, 2005 -> 02:39 PM) ya and we're still the best team in the majors...mmm so what does that tell you...maybe that our team isn't built around offense it was pretty obvious coming into this year that we weren't going to score a ton of runs...i dont know why your b****ing....jus to b**** i guess Our pitching has been outstanding. Its the reason we are in the place we are. But we have to start to get more consistant hitting. Not just living and dieing on the homer.