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Season in a nutshell Dunn and Rios and Ozzie all sucking.

Holy moly its all up to Rios !!

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 31, 2011 -> 01:43 PM) You are down 6-0 though. You still have to be smart. As a manger I want to show my team I have faith in them to come back , but that's me. You're argument is just as strong.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 31, 2011 -> 01:39 PM) Not with the team you are chasing coming to town. Valid point but with the day off you take that risk needing wins desperately at this point.

QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Aug 31, 2011 -> 01:32 PM) So anytime your team is on a win streak, you should tax the bullpen in a losing effort? With a day off tomorrow and 8 innings to go damn straight.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 31, 2011 -> 12:57 PM) It knocks $20 million off the White sox's obligations. Which is why I'd do it.

QUOTE (docsox24 @ Aug 31, 2011 -> 12:55 PM) if ifs and buts were candy and nuts every day would be christmas If wishes were fishes we'd all cast our nets.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 31, 2011 -> 12:54 PM) I still think Zambrano for Rios is the most likely "bad contract" deal out there for the Sox. I'd do that in a NY minute.

QUOTE (WilliamTell @ Aug 31, 2011 -> 12:03 PM) lol I hate the chip away comment now because of some guy on the slow pitch softball team. He always says that, sometimes we can be down by 8 with 2 more innings to play. Come on let's chip away. lol you can't just chip away when you're down that much, you need to cut it in half or more or something. 8 is nothing in softball

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Aug 31, 2011 -> 09:56 AM) fathom, you and I both know that there is only one situation where Ozzie left the Sox and he wouldnt go scorched earth, and that was if he retired and left of his own choosing. Its going to be ugly I think you're right though I hold out hope that since Reinsdorf has been so utterly loyal to him that he keeps his big flappin' yap shut for once.

QUOTE (Iwritecode @ Aug 31, 2011 -> 08:38 AM) Ozzie has managed to contradict himself in a single sentence. I did read what you wrote about that.

QUOTE (Swingandalongonetoleft @ Aug 31, 2011 -> 07:54 AM) "The AJ Situation" Forced to remove their injured catcher from the team, Kenny calls upon the help of his friend Tyler Flowers. Ozzie's friend, AJ Pierzynski, is due back from the DL soon, and he is very anxious that AJ not encounter the scene of Tyler Flowers contributing nicely to the team. At Kenny's request, Marsellus Wallace arranges for the help of Winston Wolf. But really, it will be interesting to see what happens when AJ comes back. Assuming he goes right back to starting behind the plate, why not DH Flowers, toss Dayan in RF, and ADA in CF? When is Quentin back? Ozzie wont play both his catchers at the same time( which is pretty standard practice) unless when AJ comes back they don't send Lucy down which is highly unlikely. I"'ll be happy to see AJ back if it means Rios won't be batting 4th anymore and sad that it will most likely put Flowers back on the bench when he's been playing pretty damn good.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 31, 2011 -> 07:14 AM) Viciedo isn't a number four hitter but Rios is according to Ozzie makes me cry in my sleep Rios and manager Ozzie Guillen spoke about the veteran’s sitting and “we’re very clear about it, very clear,” Guillen said. “Alex is not a happy camper. I don’t expect him to be,” Guillen said. “We wish he was playing better. ... I talked to him (and said), ’Give me some bullets, give me something (so) people don’t criticize me because you’re playing.’ “He has to look himself in the mirror too. ... I’m not benching people when they’re playing well.” This quote was at the end of July and now he's batting him cleanup while sitting Lillibridge a guy who really has earned more playing time but is relegated to late inning defense lately. The good thing about Ozzie never shutting up is that you can occasionally catch him contradicting himself.

Go you Knight Sox !

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 31, 2011 -> 06:10 AM) Why? Humber got hit in the back with another liner but this time on one hop. He stayed in the game however.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Aug 30, 2011 -> 08:38 PM) I can't think of a single solitary poster on this board that said keeping Viciedo in the minors was the correct thing to do. Names or you're hallucinating. Edit: greg and elrockin don't count. Ok Kite krazy already admitted it and I've got 2 more. Go to the thread" IF the Sox come back and finish only 1 or 2 games out". Look at post 25 and then post 42 and the conversation that follows. You tell me if I'm still hallucinating.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Aug 30, 2011 -> 08:38 PM) I can't think of a single solitary poster on this board that said keeping Viciedo in the minors was the correct thing to do. Names or you're hallucinating. Edit: greg and elrockin don't count. Hey I know what I read its in recent topics still on the front page of Soxtalk. I'll see if I can find it.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Aug 30, 2011 -> 08:30 PM) Yahoo!, fangraphs and baseball prospectus was all over it like two months ago. Who the hell was saying keeping him down was the right thing to do? Guys like Jennings, Kipnis, Ackley, Hosmer, Alonso, etc, all got called-up, yet Dayan was supposed to toil in the minors? It was some posters on this board I know that. I read everything posted and its in on of the threads about what might have been. I even wrote kenny a very respectful letter mentioning De Aza and Viciedo about a week or 2 before the trade deadline. Here it is. Dear Mr. Williams, Let me first assure you that I have no desire for my 15 minutes of fame. If you respond , nothing you say will be exposed in any way , shape or form. That being said, I hope you respond just as cordially as I am going to be in this communication. I understand you must be very busy , especially at this time of year when you must be fielding trade possibilities. With all that said let me get to the point. I am a long time Sox fan . I am not writing to criticize you in any way. You always do what you think is best for the team and I appreciate that. However Dunn and Rios are having very, very bad seasons no matter how you look at the numbers either sabremetrically or the standard stats we're accustomed to seeing over many years. I understand they are a very large investment and therefore need to be given a lot of rope. The team defense is pretty adequate and the pitching ,both bullpen and starters ,have been stellar. You have 2 minor leaguers at AAA having very good seasons , De Aza and Viciedo. Most fans and I'm sure yourself as well, are frustrated seeing the good pitching continuously go to waste. Everything is fine except the offense. Seeing the same players under perform day after day and doing terribly at home is not fun to watch. I know attendance must also concern you and I can say without much doubt that unless changes are made soon things will not get better in that regard. Most informed fans already think Viciedo should 've been brought up long ago. I am not suggesting that we as fans know the personnel as good as you do. However you are the man in charge and I know you must be working on something. This division is very winnable and if the offense ever clicks I think we can contend for another world title but despite coming back from a terrible start we are floundering now especially at home against division opponents. Please don't waste too much more time thinking standing pat is the answer. Trust me, I know you are somewhat hamstrung by players not doing what they are handsomely paid to do . I wouldn't want to be in your shoes right now but we need an infusion of offense badly weather through trades or other personnel decisions. I know you are up to the task. Best of luck. Best regards,

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Aug 30, 2011 -> 08:23 PM) The entire baseball world was on the Viciedo train. And what's sad is that he would still be at Charlotte had CQ not gotten hurt. Even with a September call-up, his playing time would be sporadic at best with CQ healthy. Not everyone but I won't take you so literally. I've even recently seen a few posts that keeping him down was the right thing to do.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Aug 30, 2011 -> 08:16 PM) Not this version. This team is terrible. It'd be a lot sweeter to beat them when they're actually good. Need the wins regardless.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Aug 30, 2011 -> 08:14 PM) Imagine if they infused this talent earlier. I've been screaming about getting Viciedo up here forever. I'll admit I was a little late on the De Aza train until I saw how good his numbers really were at Charlotte.

QUOTE (PlaySumFnJurny @ Aug 30, 2011 -> 08:12 PM) I thought we were done for both times we went down by 3. I also had a real bad feeling with Mauer on deck as the potential go ahead run in the 9th. I'm glad it turned out (again) that I don't know s***. That was the old Sox the White Sox , theses guys are the Knight Sox rescuing games in distress !

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 30, 2011 -> 07:49 PM) Quentin played an above average outfield this year, in my opinion. His reads seem much better this year compared to last . I think it was just that 1st year going back to right field and getting adjusted to it again.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Aug 30, 2011 -> 07:42 PM) Right and you pay the price of having a bad OF'er playing as you wait on those streaks. He has value, just think it's overstated. He didnt look bad in the field this year and leading the league in extra base hits for much of the season isn't a bad thing either.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 30, 2011 -> 07:39 PM) Is it even worth debating though? Seems like there's no chance he's brought back. I think we'll miss Quentin more than we think. Imagine where the Sox would be had it not been for run production from Konerko and Q in the 1st half and if I remember right Q was hot pretty soon after the ASB. Hopefully if he leaves we have Tank and Ale to pick up the slack and more.