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Vlady hit dropped right in front of Maggs Leadoff Double by Carlos Guillen and comes up lame at 2nd.

Garret Anderson pops out end of inning tigers bat bottom of 9. 2-2

Runner on 1st, 2 out for Angels Angels still alive 1st and 2nd 2 out Vlady up. Vlady bloops a hit to right Angels tie it up. 1st and 3rd 2 outs.

Tigers lead 2-1. Bases loaded 2 out 2 run single by Thames bottom of 8th. Angels last AB's coming up .

Angels got a run 1-0 , 2nd and 3rd 2 outs top of 8th. Tigers coming up bottom of 8th 1-0 Angels lead.

Angels about to bat in the top of the 8th against Tigers still 0-0.

In a world full of cookie-cutter sports broadcasters, I will always give a big thumbs up to guys like Hawk, Steve Lyons and even california stoner surfer dude Rex Hudler. You young'uns out there count your blessings that you never had to listen to Jack Drees when he did the Sox games on TV. If I was wasn't born and raised a Sox fan I might've ended up paying more attention to the Cubs because Jack Brickhouse was much more entertaining. Lucky he did Sox games also back in the day.

Here's my response http://www.80stees.com/products/Animal-Hou...alking-Doll.asp press red button between dolls feet.

QUOTE(SadChiSoxFanOptimist @ Sep 2, 2006 -> 08:27 AM) No, that's not it. But to label any poster's good faith effort a the worst anything ever is a bit extreme. Debate the content, but respect the poster. Respect is a good thing..wouldn't you agree? Thanks. Respect is good but not en vogue . I simply asked a question to be debated. I highly doubt the braintrusts of the Tigers and Twins would've made these acquisitons if they thought those players would hurt them. QUOTE(Texsox @ Sep 2, 2006 -> 11:06 AM) I thought it was more a tongue in cheek thread starter that would have been fun to kick. It's not like Perez and Nevin are franchise players but considering Nevin's post All STar game stats against righthanders I'm sure the Twins feel he can fill a specific role. I like playing devil's advocate but I don't like being insulted by people who's only way of feeling like a man is to rip others.

Big Hurt had some monster years with the Sox . No telling what his numbers would be like if he hadn't got hurt so much the last 3-4 years. I've kept a close eye on him all year and his batting average has gone up every month . He's well over .300 post All-Star break which I believe is an indication of his health and shaking off the rust . There were many on this board who were truly convinced he was through last year. Really very happy for him.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Sep 1, 2006 -> 06:31 PM) Sure because Anderson never has caught a liner in the gap. Never this year. Another thing, Anderson positions himself a hell of a lot better. And has natural instincts off the crack of the bat. The ball DeJesus hit was a screamer and wasnt all that high. Put the blame where it belongs, on Contreras.

QUOTE(WSoxMatt @ Sep 1, 2006 -> 06:27 PM) Grudz is hitting over 400 on the season vs us Situational baseball . Gotta do it even if its Babe Ruth up there.

QUOTE(CWSOX45 @ Sep 1, 2006 -> 06:22 PM) Wow. This is pure dogs***. I am so f***in pissed that Kansas City continues to beat us around. Was that shot to centerfield catchable? Or did Mack just f*** it up as usual? We need to have our f***ing starters in every game from here on out. God dammit Ozzie. Cintron and Mackowiak should not be playing. It was a gapper pure and simple sharply hit . Assuming BA starts in the same position as Mac theres no way he gets it.

2nd and 3rd 1 out . Why not walk Dejesus to set up the doubleplay ? Grudz promtly hits a sharp grounder to short and we're out of the inning down 3-0 instead of the 7-0 hole we now face. The errors dont bother me half as much as not walking DeJesus swich ended up costing us 4 runs.

QUOTE(JoeBatterz @ Sep 1, 2006 -> 12:37 PM) Funny line from Bill Simmons Sports Guy column of today: Insert your own joke here. ...and a spiked do a foot high and eyeliner .

QUOTE(Jenks Heat @ Sep 1, 2006 -> 08:19 AM) I love to sit in these seats and stare at pods worthless ass. Now next season maybe someone useful will be out there and I can stare at Uribe's worthless ass in my fancy angled seat. I'm sorry for your disability. I had no idea you were incapable of turning your head.

QUOTE(rowand @ Sep 1, 2006 -> 08:50 AM) perez was the worst player on the cubs...now he is the worst player on the tigers and has cost them many runs with his poor defense. Many runs ? 0 errors since joining the Tigers. While I realize errors are not a definite true measure of fielding ability, I can't see how you can back up what you just said. QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Sep 1, 2006 -> 12:10 PM) Nevin hit that against the weak NL. How good do you really think he is going to hit against the better AL. Phil Nevin is poo on a stick bad. Neifi Perez has to bat remember. He is horrible. He is just poo. Time will tell . Since 4 of our 5 starters are right hander and aren't exactly setting the world on fire, I can see Nevin helping the Twins against us. All it will take is one key hit against us in the last series against the Twins to make this pickup worthwhile.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Sep 1, 2006 -> 11:40 AM) Phil Nevin is worthless. He was a bad player, playing on a bad team. He was picked up about 5 weeks too late to help the cubs, it was a pointless move when it happened to the cubs, now the Twins make the same move. This is also a team that decided to start Tony Bautista at 3rd this year. The Nefi Perez move is the equivalent of someone picking up Timo Perez, and then worrying that it will affect the AL Central race. The more Neifi bats, the better for us. These moves dont do a thing positive for either team. Phil Nevin Since being acquired by the Cubs vs. righthanded pithchers : AB H HR Avg. 110 20 8 .318 Post All-Star Break stats against RH pitchers AB H HR Avg. 57 20 5 .351 Certainly not worthless. Neifi Perez with the Tigers 9 games at 2B and SS 0 errors 77 innings 53 total chances. Hasn't hurt them yet in the field.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Sep 1, 2006 -> 10:27 AM) You know what, I agree. A person saying that there's a conspiracy going on from the Tribune execs against the White Sox, by noting a Neifi Perez and Phil Nevin (hah) trade, is totally, 100% correct. If Cerb didn't make his initial post, I probably would have done the exact same thing. This thread is ludicrous, and deservedly got ripped. As usual the reading comprehension level of the people here amazes me. Where exactly did I state that it was my opinion that it was a conspiracy? I simply asked a question . Coincidence or conspiracy ? As i said before disagree ,call the post ridiculous, but personal insults have no place in any discussion no matter how ludicrous the topic . Those in charge of this board have stated that many times.

QUOTE(Cerbaho-WG @ Sep 1, 2006 -> 10:05 AM) Well, you're not going to get an apology, and I stand by my previous post. Come on, stand back and look at everything from a non tinfoil POV. Do you honestly think that the Tribune board of execs was camped up in their board room smoking cigars saying A: Guys, the Cubs once again are done, but I've got an ingenious plan for them not to be considered the equivalent of a little league team from Russia. B: Fire Dusty Baker? A: No, let's start trading players to help Detroit and Minnesota and defeat the White Sox. B: Sounds almost brilliant! So we trade Zambrano and Ramirez for top flight prospects? A: No! We give them Neifi Perez and Phil Nevin! Phil Nevin and Neifi f***ing Perez? Do you know how abysmal those two players are, especially Perez? Neifi Perez is still the same moron who attempted a bunt in the bottom of the 9th down two with two outs and two RISP. Phil Nevin stopped doing steroids a long time ago. Hendry is just unloading his mistakes on other teams gullible enough to believe that Perez and Nevin are still productive players. I didnt really think I'd get one even though you insulted me without provocation. Perez and Nevin are roleplayers who filled roles for the teams we are fighting tooth and nail against to make the playoffs. Imagine this scenario if you will. The race for the wildcard comes down to the season ending series against the Twins and Nevin gets key RBI's to help the Twins clinch the wildcard. Certainly that is a possibility and if it happens I'm pretty sure this board will be wailing and gnashing their collective teeth about how the Cubs screwed us.

QUOTE(Cerbaho-WG @ Aug 31, 2006 -> 11:26 PM) Quite possibly the worst thread ever at SoxTalk, and that's saying a lot from all the crap we've seen. Stop posting until your brain starts functioning. Someone got up on the wrong side of the bed. What happened to the kinder gentler soxtalk ? Its posts like yours that discourage people to open new topics. I see the same topics every day rehashed over and over. There's only so many ways to express why JD should or shouldn't be batting 3rd or how bad Pods is playing. We're here to discuss events surrounding and effecting the Sox. Whether I think Hendry is helping or hurting our rivals is of no consequence. It happens once with Perez you forget it. It happens twice with Nevin ( 21 HR and 64 RBI combined with 2 teams this season) and it becomes something worth discussing. I object to the insulting nature of your post. If you feel the need to berate the post that is acceptable. Questioning my brain function is not and I am owed an apology. Your post did nothing to contribute to the discussion.

First its Neifi Perez to the Tigers when Placido Polanco went down with an injury . Now its Phil Nevin to the Twins. Is this the Tribune Co. trying to protect its investment by sabotaging the Sox chances by sending players to our rivals to make the playoffs?

Theres been talk on PTI and on ESPN in general speculating the Sox hit Delmon Young in his first ML AB as a welcome to the big leagues hazing . Also that Ozzie could have had it done to get on the umpires good side. If you remember earlier in the year Delmon Young was the one who hit the umpire with a thrown bat while in the minors. Thoughts ? Comments ? Old time baseball ? Accident? Is Ozzie that devious ?

I'm not going to analyze pitching matchups, upcoming schedule or injuries. I'm a Sox fan and have been conditioned to hope with my heart and not think with my head. 20-12 sounds good. Illogical ? Yes. Improbable ? Yes. Impossible ? No f'in way ! Sox win the wildcard and the World Series.

QUOTE(shoota @ Aug 27, 2006 -> 06:16 PM) And the team's ERA is higher because OZZIE decided not to let McCarthy start. So you looked into your crystal ball and saw BMac with a 14-2 record and 1.00 ERA ? I havent done the math but thats probably about what it would take for the ERA of the whole staff to be .50 lower and have the whole team at 85 wins. And yes I know you're not the one who stated the .50 ERA/85 wins but you did say if MCarthy was starting the team ERA would be lower. If that crystal ball is still working can you give me some California lottery winning numbers ?