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It's great Iguchi is doing good so far. Most of the time the threads are on Borchard, Harris, Garland and Timo. If sumone's doing good a la Iguchi things are pretty quiet. Reminds me of the Matrix when they say humans define their existence by the amount of misery in their lives. A perfect world would drive us crazy.

QUOTE(Steff @ Mar 8, 2005 -> 04:29 AM) Exactly, so what is your point bringing his size into it? His size has nothing to do with "doing things the right way". A 6'5" 230 guy can have the same success as a 5'9" 180 guy. Not doing roids is the right way no matter what your size. I'm not defending steroids at all, just to make that clear. You're original argument was that Frank would be a positive influence at the Congressional hearings , which he would be because he'll speak out against them. But to the kid deciding wether or not to take roids based on who is at the hearings any positive points Frank makes is offset by the fact that is is naturally bigger then your average baseball player. The whole point of taking steroids is to get bigger and stronger , hit more home runs, drive in more runs , get a bigger paycheck. Frank is already big and strong thats why I bring up his size. Smaller success stories are not at these hearings.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Mar 9, 2005 -> 08:04 PM) I don't see it as being elitest when people are debating who should be the Sox reserve outfielder? But it was the GAME thread ! I was there to see what was going on in the game. Having to wade through the arguments just to get the score every 3 pages was bulls***. Just try to keep to the topic and I'll be happy . I love reading the arguments when they're where they're supposed to be.

QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Mar 9, 2005 -> 07:24 PM) You make a good point, but I will say that I think sometimes (trust me-myself included) can come off to casual fans as elitest and intimidate people into avoiding baseball because they don't know enough. I don't believe this anecdote applies to your particular situation, just something to remember. One of point I should make in the interest of accuracy is that The Whiffer Patterson is a much better defender than Pods. Excellent post Punch . I read this board almost every day and yet I cant see myself having thousands of posts about the White Sox. Yes I'm a huge Sox fan have been since i was 10 yrs old 37 yrs ago. I know the team inside and out but, woo boy there are a bunch of argumentative know-it-alls on this website. I swear half of them must fantasize about being the Sox GM. The way they know stats and argue about the tiniest crap amazes me. I mean yesterday's game thread was ruined by guys arguing who's worth more to the Sox Timo or Borchard. Elitist ?? Hell yes!

Thanks Yas . Joel Horlen and Ken Berry (CF) were my favorite Sox players from that 1967 team. I was 9 years old. Reading it brought back a lot a names from those teams that I will always think of as Sox players. I guess we must be sum of the old timers on this website since there hasnt been much interest in this thread. By the way I like your Blackhawk head with the tear . Reminds me of the old TV commercial with the old Native American crying about pollution.

QUOTE(Steff @ Mar 7, 2005 -> 04:15 AM) No offense, but IMO this is BS also. I know plenty of sucess stories in MLB that are much smaller than Frank. They did things the right way. No offense but your original argument was about Frank's influence not other players "much smaller then Frank".

Hey Juggy HOLY CRAP man that's in depth. But they main thing is it's optimistic, which I like. Are you a meterologist, a physicist, and a stats geek ? All sounds good to me. Hope does spring eternal.

WOOOOOOOOOOO ! Over 8 million votes for the sucky Pods . Guess I'm in the minority.

Im just checking to see if i finally figured out how to get a picture in my sig. Carry on

QUOTE(Steff @ Mar 4, 2005 -> 07:36 AM) I don't. I agree, he's not, and wouldn't. I disagree.. Frank should do anything he can to bring attention to the issue and show others, specifically kids comming up in college, how to do things the right way. Positive PR never hurts, and Arn will make sure Frank comes out smelling like a rose. He plays major league baseball. Major league baseball players are under investigation. Strong association there.. Scenario: I'm a kid trying to decide wether to use steroids. Maybe I know Bonds , Caminiti, Canseco and Giambi have all won MVP'S. Maybe I know Lyle Alzado and other have died or been disfigured because of overabuse of steroids. "Oh wait" I say to myself, "Frank Thomas has won 2 MVP's and would have had a 3rd if not for Giambi. Maybe I can do it without steroids. Hmmm what does Frank Thomas and all these other guys have that I don't have? A huge muscular body. I'll get caught if i use steroids. Hello, HGH is still usable and not included in the drug policy. HGH is the way to go now if i want a big body. " Frank Thomas' influence re: "right way to do things" means nothing if you don't have his kind of physique, which is why guys use the stuff in the first place.

Updated: Mar. 3, 2005, 6:58 PM ET McGwire, Giambi, Schilling also on list Associated Press WASHINGTON -- Former slugger Jose Canseco and several players he has accused of joining him in abusing steroids have been invited to testify before a House committee. then later on it says... Also on the invitation list are Palmeiro, Boston Red Sox pitcher Curt Schilling, current Baltimore Orioles slugger Sammy Sosa and Frank Thomas of the Chicago White Sox. There is not one word about either Schilling or Frank never having been accused of using steroids. To the casual baseball fan, which I'd conversatively estimate comprises 50% of all baseball fans, seeingFranks and Schillings name lumped in with all the rest of the ones who have been accused makes it look like guilt by association. The Associated Press should watch how they word their stories. Not mentioning that sum of the players invited have never been accused of using steroids is just plain irresponsible journalism. Also, the new steroids policy in baseball doesnt include HGH (Human Growth Hormone). HGH often changes the appearance of the facial structure. Many people in and around baseball think they have noticed changes in some players faces and heads ,most noticeably Bonds and Sosa. A player could pass the current drug test while stiil taking HGH.

Dont any of u people work or do u have so much free time at work. Dang im on lunch got to go back on the street> keep the play by play going I'll catch it later. Thanks. This was what I was going to post around the top of the 3rd inning but the traffic on this thread made it impossible. Wow ! Peeps be missin' White Sox baseball.

Dont any of u people work or do u have so much free time at work? Dang im on lunch got to go back on the street> keep the play by play going I'll catch it later. Thanks.

Dont any of u people work or do u have so much free time at work? Dang im on lunch got to go back on the street> keep the play by play going I'll catch it later. Thanks.

Korean born pitcher Sang-Ho Moon had a brief tryout for the Sox on Tuesday, throwing around 95 miles per hour, sporting a fastball, splitter and a slider. No decision was made.

With steroids and the Maggs/Ozzzie Venezuelan War of Words, its nice to see something postive for a change.

It's official. Frank is no longer "The Big Skirt". That title now belongs to the whore of Detroit , Magglio Ordonez.

Also , expect to see Politte. Marte, and Shingo start some spring games. The Sox are trying to build a good working relationship between the bullpen and A.J.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Feb 21, 2005 -> 01:05 AM) As a long term Sox fan, I can certainly understand CubKilla's point of view. I was not quite 2 years old the last time the Sox were seen in the World Series, so it's been a long hard row to hoe. That kind of disappointment, year after year, can lead to someone being slighty jaded. However, being a fan, I always look for and hope for the best every spring. I hope that one of these years all the pieces will fall into place. I hope a midseason acquisition will be the final ingredient that makes the team gel, ala Julio Cruz in '83. Basically, I think I just like drinking the Kool-Aid every spring and won't spit it out until all hope is gone. Nicely said Yas. That makes us exactly around the same age. As long time fans hope springs eternal. Soxtalk is great entertainment. I feel bad for the poor Indian lover who was banned. Probably was just a kid who loves his team, nothing wrong with that. Yea he stirred the pot a bit . Not everyone can back up what they say with stats. Not all of us play fantasy baseball and know what ERA+ or WHIP mean. Myself, I like to look at the positive. I like Garland ,I like Harris, probably the 2 most hated players on the Sox. I like freedom of speech also. So the Indian lovin kid rattled our cages a lil bit. What it comes down to is, if you cant stand the heat get out of the kitchen. Even with all the "heat" this kid took he stayed in the kitchen. I feel ashamed he was ridiculed and banned. We had the nerve to tell him how to post. Do it this way or dont bother posting. He hung in there with everyone against him until we couldnt take the heat and threw him out of the kitchen. I, for one, would rather not see Soxtalk ban a baseball loving guy. I sure would rather have him spend his time agitating us on Soxtalk then doing drugs or hanging with a gang or even playing video games for that matter. Writing , no matter what form it takes, is an intellectual pursuit. Shame, shame for saying off with his head because he isnt one of us.

Fact or Fiction: A White Sox starting pitcher will win 20 games this season. Fiction: We'll be in a lot more one run games so I expect the bullpen to amass its share of wins. Fact or Fiction: Willie Harris will be on the White Sox opening day roster. Fact: Willie is needed , the team is supposed to be based on speed and defense now and he provides both. Fact or Fiction: Orlando "El Duque" Hernandez will toss more than 140 innings this season. Fact: All indications say he's healty even if he's ancient. Fact or Fiction: Shingo Takatsu will record more than 30 saves this season. Fact: Shingo is a pro's pro. If the new pitch he added is effective I see him challenging for the league lead in saves. Fact or Fiction: Scott Podsednik will set a career high in both batting average and OBP this season. Fiction: That is laughable. Fact or Fiction: Frank Thomas will play in more than 120 games this season. Fact: Frank is motivated to get 500 HR's, make the Hall of Fame, and make it hard on the Sox to get rid of him. Fact or Fiction: Carl Everett will get more than 350 at-bats this season. Fact: When SPod flops Everett will get his AB's. Fact or Fiction: A White Sox starter other than Mark Buehrle or Freddy Garcia will throw a complete game shutout this season. Fact: It can happen. Garland's gotta get it right one of these years. And finally....Fact or Fiction: The White Sox will win the American League Central in 2005. Fact: Minnesota's run is over.

QUOTE(whitesoxmurph @ Jan 28, 2005 -> 01:47 PM) I've actually read the script and it's pretty good and knowing the guys involved Mike North doesn't have a prayer. The script would have to be pure genious to appeal to anyone outside of Chicago .Cheers murph

QUOTE(silver and black @ Jan 27, 2005 -> 08:02 PM) :fthecubs :sosasucks You suck... It's one or the other You can't rout for both! Rout ??? Let's all Rout for Rownad !!!

I've heard talk of a movie possibly being filmed in Chicago about 16 inch softball. Anyone else heard anything about it ? I like the idea . Hope it's true.

QUOTE(Jabroni @ Jan 26, 2005 -> 03:56 PM) If people just call Ichiro "Ichiro", why can't we just call Iguchi "Iguchi"? Becuz Iggy or Guchi sounds a lot better than Itchi

Guillen has already said its Garland. El Duque has a clean bill of health according to the brass and incentive clauses, one of which is based on appearing in the All-Star game. If Contreras can't win for the Sox he'll be as as bad off as Loaiza is now .He'll get every opportunity to show his stuff. That leaves Garland at #5.