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It's a 6 game sample size.I wonder if the Sox even have scout there watching games. If they do, I'm sure there are younger players to scout. I hope the Fuller hire doesn't mean it's another coach taking a crack at Vaughn and Sheets. Send them packing and use the $8M somewhere else. Abreu " signing imminent " sounds like BS based on sample sIze.

I think just being a high profile trade piece with the word "haul" being thrown around puts it on the back burner . Teams just aren't giving up the kind of prospects the Sox are seeking. I'd expect a long wait.

I try to be positive. I know I'm negative when it comes to JR .Most of the time I try to stay positive .I don't break any stories but I do try to post interesting videos of links for people to watch to make them more informed. There's a lot of sports content on social media .I especially like vlogs and have been very tuned into the Crochet story and feel I know his growth pretty well. His path to his incredible 2024 has been very unpredictable and fraught with twists and turns . The old saying that development isn't always linear applies in spades to him. I try to stick with sound logic and reasoning based on everything I've read and watched to form my opinions. It seems obvious to me many many hands are involved in developing a player and timing also plays a critical role. There are many decisions and changes along with suggested changes, trial and error. Player development is like a science project. Rarely will I think that there is only one reason for success or think that my reason makes it hard to give others involved their due, especially when I can bare witness to other people developing a player due to it being documented for all to watch or read about, not from people seeking credit, but from the player himself handing out a accolades to his coaches and talking about specifics. He also based career altering decisions on how much he liked the things his coaches did. It's mind numbing to me that any fan can say I find it hard to give anyone else any developmental credit given all the information out there to the contrary. The last time Crochet had a full season as a starting pitcher was 2017 when he was a Senior in H.S. Yet somehow all he had to do was tell the Sox in 2024 I want to be a Starting Pitcher again and, voila ,7 years of no success magically disappears without any help.

I agree Abreu is a spare part for the Red Sox . He's a better spare part then Vargas but still a spare part. You need to suffer a little when getting high quality. The process can't be relatively painless for your organization.

Also this season was his 1st complete season as a starting pitcher since his senior year of High School.

Wahhhhhh boo hoo . Maybe you should stop being an ignoramus if informed opinions bother you so much. And everyone here thinks they're right. You think you're right and cry and insult when you're contradicted because you were owned and can offer no logical defense of your myopic opinions . Continue grunting like a caveman.

Thank you for your uninformed and useless assessment based on your ignorance.

I understand the desire to discredit all things White Sox but even if you say the decision to become a starter is all on Crochet is true, there was so much more that went into his great season it belittles everything and everyone involved to say it's very hard to credit as a development win. Crochet's success this year was very much a development win unless you know nothing about it. There is plenty out there about much that went into it. And there was also incorporated things to help him beyond 2024 for this off season and his future to become more efficient. Crochet thinks like most great players, that he can always get better or learn new things when their physical gifts start to wane. Crochet is on record multiple times crediting the plan the Sox put him on to maintain his health and get him more innings than many thought possible. He liked it so much he refused to deviate from it unless he got an extention. If you think developing a player's health plan and changing grips on pitches and changing pitch repertoire and sequencing or making future plans to cut down on HRs and get more doubleplays is not development then you're just not paying attention or there's no reasoning with you. Your opinion is myopically biased. Sometimes it takes years and sometimes it just has to be done at a time more conducive to the player's physical and mental maturation. In Crochet's case it was the right people at the right time in his life . The same people 2 or 3 years ago likely do not produce the same results.

It's a win for plenty of people in the Sox organization. Let's not forget Sale was the 13th pick in the 1st round in 2020 and Crochet was 11th in 2020. Both were passed up by plenty of teams for various good reasons. The same reasons many pitchers with great arms get passed up and never make it. Let's not pretend they were so obviously great that the Sox lucked into them or didn't work with them to make them better. If it was so easy they both would have been drafted much higher. The only 2 players from the 2010 draft who are equally great are Harper, who was perhaps the most hyped player ever drafted and Manny Machado. That leaves 10 teams who passed on Sale. Crochet barely pitched at all in College because of health, performance and COVID . 10 teams passed on him too who probably regret it now , although some in his class still have a chance to become better .

The Orioles are in no position to laugh at anyone. They lost in the 1st round of the playoffs 2 years in a row and lost their best starting pitcher. The clock is ticking on their window. We have no idea yet how much money Baltimore's new ownership is willing to spend. If Crochet is willing to sign a reasonable extension with a contende because he believes deep runs into the postseason are potentially harmful to his career, that makes him much more valuable . The potential for the proverbial haul is higher if teams believe this. People were pissed about an extension which threw a monkey wrench into the TDL chances of a Crochet deal but it honestly couldn't have turned out any better. The plan that he and the Sox put together worked like a charm and he pitched way beyond the innings anyone thought he could , stayed healthy and was in near or 90%+ in many Statcast pitching categories. He's worth considerably more now than he was then. I never believed the haul talk for Cease because there was doubt . He looked like a typical Sox prospect starting to regress . Crochet is quite valuable for 2 years and beyond if there's some way for the the Sox to get a higher trade package letting the trading team work on getting Crochet to sign an extension. I need help in knowing if that's allowed.

Id feel a lot better if I heard Getz talking about these things when discussing trading Crochet with the media. At least let the other teams know that you know what you have and have entered the 21st Century basic analytics data points.

When you're 89 you're either sick or finding life fairly difficult physically or mentally . He could be sick now or just preparing for the inevitable . I just think when he's dead is when the team gets sold. The botttom line is what's important and the bottom line is his kids don't get stuck paying higher taxes .

He is involved in the sale. He's preparing for it now. Hedoent have to physically be here for them to be sold . He can't be here once he's dead and dying is the way to maxmize or minimize I guess the inheritance taxes. It's pretty common knowledge at least according to Liptak that's been his plan so the kids don't take a big tax hit.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if JR is sick and preparing his heirs to sell the team as quickly as possible. He's pouring his money into turning the UC are into a real estate sports complex much like Wrigleyville so his heirs can keep the Bulls and sell the Sox and profit on the Blackhawks rebuild Stripping the Sox of any long-term money insures he doesn't devalue a team already worth $2B. At this point he's not taking any significant amount of money and reinvesting it in the Sox . They are literally a lame duck franchise. Anything to do with the 78 property is subterfuge. He's just letting Getz fiddle with amounts of money insignificant enough not to do any damage. Youre getting $85M to hire, fire ,restructure who or what you want to spread out among everyone including the 26 man roster. Go crazy Getzy. The commish can't do anything about it as long as I appear to be trying.

What crowd ? You're making up a wild scenario and how some Sox fans would react to it. Extending Crochet is just some fans preference. They know it won't happen. The only way it gets ugly around here is if the return is deemed subpar . If the return seems adequate and doesn't involve Benintendi most here will be content. If he's extended by the team he'd traded to almost right away, which is also highly speculative ,we have no idea what that extension would look like, so until we do, how could these imaginary fans lose their minds ? Both you and Balta have a few things in common. You both think Crochet was abused and hates the Sox despite nothing anywhere to support this except your own fertile imaginations. You both also think he could sign a big money deal ($150M+) right now despite having little leverage. No one here will lose their mind if an extension is in that range. Lucky for everyone here you're a reactionary not a visionary. Imaginary trades with an imaginary contract extention with imaginary fans acting in imagnary ways is you've lost you're mind level stuff.

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I think you're wrong. Just because you think he's been jerked around and you think he resentful because you are doesn't mean he could get or deserves $200M at this point in his career. It's just one , not even full season of very good pitching .1/2 season of normal SP and 1/2 of limited innings starts. How many 25 years olds with 2 yrs of eligibility left with 1 year of non injury starting pitching have got a $200M contract ? In 2 more years, sure, the sky is the limit. Prove to me he's resentful about his previous treatment. Show me one interview where he expressed this. Theres plenty of video around that he's happy with his treatment and plan in 2024. So happy that he didn't want to deviate from it and risk going to another team unless he got assurances , by way of a new contract, that he would be compensated for risking his future earnings power. He doesn't hold all the cards however. He's had arm problems and still has 2 more years to pitch to show consistency in both his ability and health. A lot can go wrong or go right. Thats not even close to $200M at the present moment. No GM would give that to him right now. Check back in 2 years or when he gets an extension from the team he's traded to without pitching a single inning for them.

I did say only when there is no general consensus on which player to trade for or draft among players considered equally talented from the talent evaluators there can be ways to break the tie where certain opinions are given more value than others. It can be the top guy like Bannister, it can be a successful scout who has ID'd good pitchers before or an analytics guy with a good track record of doing the same thing. We're basically splitting hairs since picking young talent and developing it is more difficult in baseball than any other sport. I know heres a lot of emphasis on some coach or coaches along the way who unlock a key that makes a difference but ultimately it may come down to mental or physical maturation from the player along with various tweaks through the trial and error part of coaching . Who can say for example what made Crochet good in 2024 and why he didnt get injured again ? There's no general consensus on it. Among the Getz haters bristling and embarrassed about the loss record we hear Getz and by extension Bannister, who Getz hired,had little or nothing to do with it. It was all Crochet. Bannister has talked at length many times what their plan was to make Crochet a healthy and productive starting pitcher . Besides adding and developing grips & pitches there is a sports management team that made a plan to keep him healthy. Between all these people including Crochet's mental and physical maturation and rehab from injuries it all added up to success this season. You could argue he's a smarter ,bigger stronger version of himself which is what development is all about. Even if you think the previous regime held him back, abused him and Crochet is resentful and bitter about it as some fans are, it all led to where he is now. No one can simplify it down to one thing. Many many things happened on his path . Even if we think Crochet and his agent were wrong to demand an extension because it hurt our baseball sensibilities about being gung ho for winning a championship and team 1st BS you have to look out for yourself in this world . Once you are at your best and in a situation to better contribute to your teams success is the time to be the rah rah guy. We always hear about putting players in a position to succeed .Crochet didn't want to take any chances on being put into a position to fail. He took charge of his own destiny. However Crochet has also been very happy with the whole plan so much which was what led him to do what he did at the trade tradeline. Turns out everyone was so happy and did such a good job it bit them in the ass for a little while. Fans got pissed, they wanted shiny new toys for the Sox and Crochet spoiled the party. Many thought he tanked his value or teams wouldn't want him because he made a "me 1st" power play. Many were wrong. I just don't think it's anything to get hung up on. Go listen to Bannister talk. He's a very bright guy and in touch with modern pitching and player development. Anyone who wants to feel better about Bannister and Katz and educate themselves there are quite a few interviews with him before and after he was hired here .

Yes this crazy talk about Getz trying to get something for 2024 instead of some imagined good return for 2028 is ridiculous. He did need players for 2024. Getz got crucified for the having the worst team in history then the same guy says he tried too hard for wins in 2024. All he was doing was turning over the roster, dumping salary and starting over. Maybe u get lucky and end up flipping Soroka and Lopez .Didn't work out that way but Schuster and Soroka served a purpose. They ate innings letting prospects develop in the minors. Every single person on this board knew 2024 and beyond was going to be a dumpster fire long before the season opened. Lol So every player in a 5 for 1 swap should be great when the 1 player was Aaron Bummer ? Why is this still a discussion ? Who cares. He was a shitty relief pitcher and they they got some usable 2024 players, a former 1st rounder and a decent prospect back . I'm sure the Braves or someone else had a 6'3 215 lb. DSL MVP who was able to leap tall buildings in a single bound they were willing to trade for Aaron fucking Bummer.

Does a mechanic choose the cars he works on ? Of course he can , if given a choice, prefer one over the other if he feels he does his best working on certain engines. Just look at Bannister or any coach that way. If he has a higher success rate with a certain type and you're choosng among 2 guys, who , with most things being equal and no general consensus on who to choose , you go with the guy Bannister thinks is more moldable or pliable and adaptive to his coaching style. Trying to quantify the effect of coaching is pretty difficult. A coach who works with hundreds of prospects over a length of time you will have many more failures if success is messaged by quality MLB players. Let's say you have a 1% success rate and there's some industry norm where 2 or 3 % is considered great development. Choosing the right players who are highly adaptive and respond well to and realize the path to getting better is through patience and trial and error can make all the difference .If Bannister is the head honcho of pitching in the organization he should have a say. If scouts were so good at picking pitchers they'd be pitching coaches. Your scouts should at least consider the organization pitching philosophy which Bannister is the boss of. They should know what he likes . His input is obviously the most important part of pitching development right now.

I'm torn. JR will be 89 in a few months. Yes the Sox need offensive help .Trying to figure out the next competitive window and saying a 25 year old doesn't fit into it is really weird .He'd need an extension of course but a rebuilding team starting at ground zero needs to have a strength to operate from. Right now starting pitching and with some failed starters converting to relief like Peyton Pallette or others pitching in general can be a very good strength. I don't know if JR passing away will make things better .However I'm tired of thinking Crochet will get hurt. Treat him like the asset he currently is. I want to see great things for Garrett Nolan Crochet with the Sox. There are no fast answers to even getting to .500 now but you have to start accumulating young talent and keeping it. Maybe Crochet is dead set on becoming a FA and if that's the case then sure trade him but I'd be spreading rumors and making a serious, if only in words, push to resign him and talking about the way back to respectability is through our biggest strength right now. Let teams think he'll be unavailable. When you're desperate you don't get as much. I want to see "White Sox Making a Serious Bid To Extend Crochet" rumors flying. None of this "we tried but we failed" BS that deflates the fans. Resign the dude fast and build some momentum for the 20th Anniversary of 2005. Give the fans some hope. I don't care if he's traded after he gets extended. Sox need to create some positive buzz in the fanbase and that always starts with getting or retaining good players. Pitching will keep you in games. See what Jose Iglesias wants to have a starting role. Roberts needs to not feel isolated .A veteran Cuban player who has always been a great fielder and has found ways to improve his hitting will perhaps help Robert regain his form and have a strong 1st half. At this point I'd prefer to trafe Robert over Crochet. It opens up more money and he's had just too many serious injuries. Let's face it some part of the roster is going to have to suffer and it's going to be hitting because this is going to take some time . But having one strength gives you more talent and thus more tradable assets while keeping you in more games where even a few good players popping balls over the fence with a few guys who can take walks on base will get you some wins and let the young pitchers develop in the majors while hitting develops in the minors. With Crochet there's less need to rush Schultz and Hagen Smith. Withe a great 1st half and an extension Crochet can actually increase his value.

If the Sox thought they had a real good shot at getting Painter they might not have drafted Hagen Smith. Draft was like 2 weeks before the TDL last day.

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Phillies didn't want to give up Painter and Dodgers didn't want to give up Rushing.

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