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My arguments were very civil until that guy got personal with me so I got personal back ( riled up as you call it.) Talking about the middle of the order was a way of saying he should be higher than 7th or 8th which is where everyone is putting him which is why i used the 1-6 argument with the other rookies. The OP wanted him platooned with Romy hence the arguments about the other OF's be it Romy, Hamilton or Marisnick. Why is winning not important to the argument ? It would seem to me that a guy picking the Sox to win 78 games shouldnt give a f*** about where anyone bats so vehemently unless he somehow thinks batting him in the middle of the order will somehow ruin him. My argument is erratic yet it's his argument for Colas not to be in the middle of the order only on one day Opening Day if i am to take him literally because no team ( who knows what it's doing) does it ever.

ARe you some kind of moron? Are you arguing for only not batting Colas in the middle of the order for just one day , Opening Day ? WTF is that? Talk about undermining your own posts., You don't even think the Sox will have more than 78 wins so what does it matter to you who bats where ? Plus I don't see how you get that I underminded my own post . I didnt look up where they each batted for just one day . My stats were for where they batted the vast majority of the time they played and it was overwhelmingly not 8th but in the top and middle of the order.

Hmm so you think the mighty Moncada might sit against LHP sometimes for a journeyman infielder who the Sox signed to a minor league deal based on ST ABs. Leury gone ?

Bobby Witt Jr. Batted 1-6 in all but 34 of his 632 PA's the majority coming 1-3 Julio Rodriguez all but 78 of his 560 PA's came 1-6 , vast majority came 1-3 Steven Kwan 638 PA all but 55 came 1-6 with 576 either 1 or 2 Adley Rutschman 470 PA , all but 9 came batting 1-6 Jeremy Pena 3rd rd. draft pick , slick fielder not expected to be a top hitter in a strong veteran lineup with players who have consistently shown how good they are in a long competitive window .253, .289, .426 , .715 not that impressive except for the 22 HR. July and August struggled pretty bad. STill 321 PA 1-6, 227 7-9 Doesn't seem to me like there was much conventional wisdom going on for the top vote getters for ROY in the AL. This is so simple and only an idiotic would think otherwise wisdom of yours is just a pathetic attempt use anecdotal evidence to make to make you appear wise. Back it up with facts or shut up. Yep no team did it. It just didn't happen .

Look you either think this team can win or you think they won't make the playoffs .If they don't make the playoffs again. That's it, the window is done . Massive trades forth coming with the same group who failed to build the sustained winner and long periods of either sucking or mediocrity with little to sustain anything in the minors. He will struggle all players struggle . Look what happened last year and those guys aren't rookies. Eloy and Robert have struggled to stay healthy for 3 years or not be good at the same time for extended periods. Are we better off with Sheets and Hamilton, Romy, Marisnick in the OF ? Do you think we will ruin him ? Do you want to wait a month to see if Moncada can slug over .400 ? Enough babying these guys. Treat them like men. Put expectations on them . Failure is part of the process but some of these guys needs to get their acts together or it's going to be a long next 5 years.

Cuba needed Colas

I probably will be too but the kid is putting in the work and if he bats 7th or 8th so be it . But I believe that he's the real deal. The only thing Moncada has going for him at this point is his fielding and ability to take a walk. The Sox desperately need guys to stay on the field and live up to their potential. It hasn't happened yet. If Colas can stay on the field that automatically gives him a shot to be one of the Sox best players. I'd love to see Eloy, Robert and Moncada finally live up to their billing . The rebuild has deteriorated mainly because they've been disappointing. I'm not going to apologize for trusting Colas to show his stuff from the get go. The core has to step up and make us believe in them again. So I'll just believe in Colas under a new manager and trust what he's done so far at every level despite a long period of rust to shake off and adjusting to every new situation in different places around the world. It's not just the talent, it's how he's already adjusted to every challenge he's faced so far. To me that's very impressive.

So . What. All I keep hearing is he doesn't have enough ABs at AAA, send him down again ,gain the extra year. I'm sick of waiting on the guys who were supposed to be great to actually be great. If you think there's nothing wrong with him batting 7th or 8th why not 6th. Who do you trust to be better ? All he's done is mash every time he moved up a level. I know the majors is a whole other level that far exceeds all the other levels. It's time to win and stop dicking around.

Too conservative but if that's what Grifol chooses to do I'll defer to it. (Like I have a choice) . But I trust he'll be batting Colas higher until Moncada can prove he's still worthy of being high in the order. OBP is a great thing but to break games open and have big innings guys have to hit. I don't remember too many World Series highlights of rousing walks. That leaves a LH opening in the top six. Just my interpretation of reading the tea leaves .

What does that even mean ? All I heard all winter from the naysayers was we hardly knew anything about his defense, his K rate and his pitch recognition. Really it's ok to be excited about him. I know Moncada has disappointed.I know Eloy and Robert are always injured. I know we forced a guy who was supposed to be our 5th best player by now out the door because unfortunately he was still our best player. If you want to win games early and often you put your best hitters at the top and middle of the order. Those guys are Tim , Benintendi, Eloy, Robert, Vaughn and Colas , not necessarily in that order. We waited on Colas to play RF . He's here now , the lefty masher we've wanted forever along with Benintendi and maybe a better, healthier Grandal. If the Sox are going to improve enough against RHP the lefty hitters have to come through. Last year the Sox had injuries, bad years , couldn't play defense, couldn't hit HRs , couldn't hit for power and had a manager past his prime forced into service by the octogenarian meddling owner and all that combined with Covid and the strike, to ruin a promising rebuild. Now the shift is banned, giving LH pull hitters a shot to be better and all hitters who put the ball in play more opportunities . I don't know about you but it's time to wake up from the nap and malaise of baseball conversatism and push the envelop a little bit and trust the savage to be a savage. We've waited on the rest of the core to be good and reach their potentials for years now. Let's not slow play this hand any more. Time to ram the talent down the rest of the leagues' throat and make the Guardians and the rest of baseball pay for for mocking us last year.

Lynn and Timmy stepping up for USA Moncada and Robert propelling Cuba. Eloy getting hits for DR. Jose Ruiz with the win, .2 innings against DR for Venezuela Nick Padilla with a win for .1 innings in PR win against Nicaragua Nice showing for Sox players so far but the competition will be stiffer soon enough.

2nd base and in the middle of the lineup and comes through in a big way. Lynn and Timmy stepping up for USA Moncada and Robert propelling Cuba. Eloy getting hits for DR. Jose Ruiz with the win, .2 innings against DR for Venezuela Nick Padilla with a win for .1 innings in PR win against Nicaragua

I'll drink the Kool-Aid but prefer Cola(s). Sox will hit RHP much better. They will play better defense. They will hit 50 more HR's than last year. How they do late in games will be key without Hendriks. Grifol gets Manager of the Year. Sox win division . Kool-Aid and Cola(s) is sweet spring nectar !

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I don't think so . Mental mistakes like Leury just made are one thing but getting thrown out on the bases isn't bad. Grifol just maybe testing the players abilities. They've stolen a lot of bases. Haven't been throw out stealing much. Colas got caught stealing when he took off too early against a LHP but they've been working with him on his secondary leads so all part of the learning curve.

Leury with a Leury play. 1 out he's on 2nd. Zavala lines out to CF. Leury doubled off like way doubled off. Must've thought there were 2 outs.

What Pressure ? There's pressure on you to perform and do your job every day. He might be nervous or have butterflies on something like opening day or opening day at home but once you're in the lineup I don't care if he hits in the middle of the order. I don't think its much different than hitting at the bottom of the lineup as far as pressure goes. You're going to come up with men on base no matter where you hit. If he is indeed a very good hitter I'd like him where he can do the most damage. Even if you put him in at the bottom of the lineup and he hits well , then you're going to hear oh no don't move him up that's too much pressure.

Burger with a bullet to the wall but caught in LF

Do we like Oscar Colassal or Oscar Colassus better ?

Top 6 nothing lower for Colas. Can't be afraid of the big stage. Get him used to it. We'll need him there in the playoffs.

will take 3 no hit innings from Kopech all day.

They practice fielding . Grifol was just talking about working with Colas on fundamentals, backing up 1st base, hitting the cutoff man, working on his secondary leads. https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/white-sox/white-sox-oscar-colas-improving-fundamentals-quest-make-majors

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