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Caulfield I hope you are ok. I think you should relax and take it easy. I believe you buddy. I do think there is a slight chance you have mistaken Robert, Jr for Robinson. Sounds like your meds are a little strong. The outburst is not like you. Edit: Apparently you were right but very few people saw it.

Losing time !

I love WSDave's article. Best, most honest interpretation of what's going on. As I've said a few times. Getz and the Sox were like a crackhead trying to sell expensive items stolen to support their addiction going from pawn shop to pawn shop getting low balled everywhere. And if true passed up deals in their own division for no apparent reason.

Just saw the Sox were up 5-2 headed into the 8th so thought I'd find the game on my PC and see how they will blow it. 1st thing I see is the back 2 back HRs by Renfroe and Melendez ?

JR of today and the last few years is a JR preparing his money and legacy to live on through his heirs by investing in the area around the UC partnering with the Wirtz family. The JR of today has flat out said the Sox cannot compete at their current location because the area around it is not the sorts mega complex luxury mall , urban paradise needed to do that. The Sox will be sold by his heirs . The Bulls will be kept and all three will be on his new network deal if he can manage to get that off the ground. The Sox are now only worth minimal attention and investment and the bare minimum to keep Manfred off his ass. The rest of baseball smells blood in the water and are treating Getz accordingly. The only thing keeping the Sox from getting terrible offers on Fedde is competition from other teams but even then Baltimore took Eflin who had bigger money owed to him ($18M in 2025) and dealt with a division rival over Fedde and the White Sox. They traded with the contending Phillies by trading Hays to fill their Relief pitching (Seranthony Dominguez) and Defensive OF / PR role with Pache while counting on Cowser/ Kjerstad/Pache to replace Hays and the slumping Mullins . It's possible the Orioles and Phillies could face each other in the World Series while helping each other get there . All the Orioles trade pieces to the Rays for Eflin were all from the 2023 draft. So they took on the higher money owed Eflin ($18M in 2025) rather than give up the higher headlining prospect for Fedde. They also risked those 3 players contributing to TB teams that are possibly better than future Orioles teams.

It doesn't necessarily have to be the whole $50M

Because you keep talking about Getz and Getz supporters . So you don't seem to understand once again there are no Getz supporters only those who see Getz as nothing more than a twig on the Redwood that is Jerry Reinsdorf.

Could it possibly be that other GMs because of Jerry crying poor are treating Getz like a crackhead trying to sell a Rolex in a pawn ship ? The offers for good returns are just not forthcoming. They may seem like easy trades but I'm almost certain there's going to be a lot of complaints about the return when those trades are made . More and more were seeing a team like Baltimore try to sell off its expiring parts like Hayes , Mullins , Mountcastle or Santander to bring up their youth. That goes along with a lot of talk around baseball of contending teams light in one area trading with other lesser contenders strong in certain areas trading 26 man roster pieces kind of like how the Cubs got Paredes. Morel lessened the prospects they'd have to give up.

You still don't understand that if Benintendi is attached it's because of Reinsdorf. How can you not understand yet that Getz is a pawn on JRs chess board. How is that not plain to you yet ?

I thought that too until I came to the conclusion that JR isn't treating the Sox like a baseball team that should be doing things to get better but more like a company that will be sold to finance his other ventures which will be in the hand of his heirs once he passes. Benitendi is a debt that needs to be removed.

Works the c*** to 3-1 then proceeds to swing and miss on 2 straight out of the zone pitchers. WTH Luis ?

It's a nice return for a reief pitcher but doesn't look like the kind of return that would entice the Sox for Fedde. Lesko has promise but Padres probably not enamored with his results thus far. Also a pitcher and catcher in the return which seems to be a running theme in prospects given up in many trades. Tough to pry high level INF and OF prospects as a headliner and Getz has to be stressing that. All 3 players A+ and lower level guys

Was nice to see Baldwin go 3 for 4 with 2 doubles.

Attempt at a joke as if he's got Crochets limits ? Fedde has plenty of innings under his belt just last year in Korea.

My my my how things have changed since the Heyman report. It's still looking to me and our esteemed Soxtalk owner that while what Heyman wrote was true may have successfully manipulated the market enough to scare off some GMs. Heyman sat on the info for days. The closer to the deadline you release that info the less time it may give the Sox time to complete a trade with another team and may have effectively lowered offers and delayed things for a day. Of course now Joel Sherman says hey there's still a market out there for Crochet. Of course Rosenthal and Nightingale followed suit. Even Passan in his initial lengthy report analyzing the impact of the Heyman report said it's caused some damage to the attempts to trade him but still not impossible. However he did not implicate Heyman in any way. Dude just doing his job right ? He just happened to sit on the info for 4 or 5 days. Crochet trade market effectively manipulated for a day and more than likely offers reduced by any remaining interested teams, supposedly still the Dodgers and Padres. No East Coast teams involved . I really hope the Dodgers get Crochet and the Yankees get eliminated .

Lol totallymisrepresenting what I said when you can quote my posts on any subject. I said Joel Sherman echoed my thoughts on Crochet. That means we came to the same conclusions not that he stole his idea from me. He's a major sportswriter who makes pretty regular appearances on MLB baseball discussions panels who been around baseball for years. He used sound analysis and baseball logic to reach his conclusions just like I did. I just said before he did. It's all right here on Soxtalk. Now Rosenthal and Nightingale are saying the same thing. Crochet market still active. Still will be hard to trade him like it's always been and the Dodgers were one team I also mentioned the most as the most likely to still have interest in him. Most of the stuff following Heymans report was negative with one GM reported as saying why would you want him if he can't pitch in the post season which was always pretty unlikely to happen. But some teams could be willing to accept that risk. Instead of telling hey you were spot on you chose to fabricate the intent of my post. Anyone can read what Sherman wrote and what I wrote about that article. I even gave the link to it. All my posts on the subject are also easy to find starting with the poll of who we thought would be traded.

What's a baseball person and you have polled them ? Let's at the very least stop projecting your thoughts into competent baseball people as if you are one of them. Your hyperbole is ludicrous.

It's the usual backwash from the backlash. It's kind of is a big obstacle , but so was trading him while expecting a big return for a guy not likely to have enough left in the tank to be the same pitcher he's been up to this point. Rosenthal is just echoing what Joel Sherman of the NY Post wrote this morning which echos almost exactly what I've been posting for at least a week. Sherman's NY Post article https://nypost.com/2024/07/26/sports/dodgers-best-positioned-at-trade-deadline-to-meet-garrett-crochets-demands/

You forgot to add the MLB anti tanking draft rules and JRs focus on building a real estate empire around the UC and fund a new stadium complex in the South Loop that may severely impact the amount of money JR is willing to let Getz spend again next year or for several years. There's also JRs dumping NBCSN for creating his new version of the failed Sportsvision from many years ago .

They don't sign Tier A free agents anyway or Tier B for that matter. While I agree that the Sox are likely not to send him down to get back the extra year but he's worth more if they do. But it's not like they wouldn't have a legitimate reason to do so. They've had plenty of opportunities including the beginning of this year to do it. Instead they worked with Garrett saw he was making great progress because of changes to his pitch repetoire by adding the cutter which Crochet adapted to beautifully and cutting back on his sweeper. Every opportunity was given to Garrett to pitch in the major leagues and it's because of that, that he is destined to become a very young FA and possibly have an opportunity to makes hundreds of millions of dollars. The Sox have very few assets worth very much and Crochet and more likely his agents torpedoed most possibilities of a trade. I hope Crochet's agent made him aware that the Sox could send him down and gain another year of control back before they blew everything up with the extension controversy. Otherwise he's been poorly handled by his agency who got greedy and tried to get their cut of Crochet's impending riches a bit early.

I understand where your coming from. I also am aware that the Sox did likely lowball him. JR wasn't going to approve of a $100M extension for a guy with his injury and pitching history. I actually agree a low-ball offer would be appropriate if they gave him a modest extension with an opt out built in. He still has 2 seasons to pitch before he reaches Free agency. That's not nothing for a guy with his injury history. He has no leverage to get a large extension especially when the Sox could use their leverage to make it 3 years before he reaches Free Agency.

Sherman and I are on the same wavelength except I beat him to the punch. It's like he's been reading my posts from the last week and the lengthy one I just posted prior to you posting your info about the Sherman article which I wasn't aware. But it is indeed a longshot.

We'll have to see what kind money he can spend 1st. I'm not exactly anticipating JR loosening the purse strings . The possibility does exist that they could be even worse next year even if JR gives him slightly more money to spend if you take Fedde Robert and Crochet off the team between now and opening 2025. They'll be starting 2025 with less MLB talent than this year.

I'm sure it's already been a failure in your eyes. 1st thing you did when the whole Crochet thing stated was blame the Sox. I on the other hand always thought Crochet would be difficult to move and doubted he would be traded and said so in many posts and because of that you called me naive . I chose to use my mind in analyzing the situation instead of believing reports that it was a certainty that he would be moved after he refused a White Sox extention. Before and after that report the situation was the same .He probably wouldn't have been able to pitch in the playoffs anyway so who exactly was going to trade for him ? I thought the Dodgers might trade so him, not necessarily to count on him to pitch in the playoffs but might get him now and use him for the next 2 years . They also could offer him an extension, not necessarily right away but after he pitched well in 2025 .I'm sure they would offer him a much larger extension than the Sox ever would. However as with any trade Getz would have to be satisfied with the return. If he traded with the Dodgers I could surmise that you would be among the 1st to say Getz made a terrible trade. Also youve had a hard time distinguishing between defending Getz and defending that he was hired to be thrust into a no win situation by an owner who appears to have more important interests he plans to invest in and speaks with a forked tongue regarding the Sox. If JR needs cash for those other investments why spend millions of dollars to make the Sox better in the next few years ? He'll allow token money to be spent like this year after payroll was slashed and part of that slashing was trading Cease. It'll be slashed again when Moncada and Eloy are off the books and maybe others. They are currently planning to slash more by trading anyone with a pulse which also has been no surprise since January . You blame Getz for not getting better players on the roster when he had hardly any money to spend. Do you think he just wanted to sign a bunch of bums ? Of course not . But he had a lot of roster spots to fill and no players to fill them . His choice was either give a bunch of guys minor league contracts which I doubt MLB would be happy about or sign a bunch of guys who might play decent defense or at least be good guys because the only good players he might have were pitchers. He got Fedde to sign here. Does that mean he outsmarted every GM in baseball, all of whom could've used a guy like Fedde ? How many GMs biggest expenditure of the off season was $15M on a 2 year contract ? You complain that any blind man could see that he wasted millions of dollars on Lopez and Maldonado. Have you analyzed every free agent dollar spent last winter and seen how much was spent on guys having terrible years or got injured or signed guys they later released ? Getz was operating from the cheap seats signing marginal players. Of course his failure rate was going to be high. He's a damn pawn of Reinsdorf given peanuts to spend on scraps in the 1st full year of a knockdown & rebuild and you act like you expected miracles. He actually did get 2 miracles Fedde and Crochet none of whom you ever give him credit for. Both far outweigh your minor grievances turning molehills into mountains. Some of his most expensive and supposedly best players that he inherited once again proved that they couldn't stay healthy or not worth the money they were paid so no salary relief or prospects to get there. So sorry JR WhiteSox2023 is on the job making sure the pennies you gave Getz is well spent. You recently asked and why exactly does Getz deserve credit for Crochet ? I believe it was satisfactorily answered by more than just me. He's not to blame for what Crochet's agents did either.

At least you're asking questions.