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Lol totallymisrepresenting what I said when you can quote my posts on any subject. I said Joel Sherman echoed my thoughts on Crochet. That means we came to the same conclusions not that he stole his idea from me. He's a major sportswriter who makes pretty regular appearances on MLB baseball discussions panels who been around baseball for years. He used sound analysis and baseball logic to reach his conclusions just like I did. I just said before he did. It's all right here on Soxtalk. Now Rosenthal and Nightingale are saying the same thing. Crochet market still active. Still will be hard to trade him like it's always been and the Dodgers were one team I also mentioned the most as the most likely to still have interest in him. Most of the stuff following Heymans report was negative with one GM reported as saying why would you want him if he can't pitch in the post season which was always pretty unlikely to happen. But some teams could be willing to accept that risk. Instead of telling hey you were spot on you chose to fabricate the intent of my post. Anyone can read what Sherman wrote and what I wrote about that article. I even gave the link to it. All my posts on the subject are also easy to find starting with the poll of who we thought would be traded.

What's a baseball person and you have polled them ? Let's at the very least stop projecting your thoughts into competent baseball people as if you are one of them. Your hyperbole is ludicrous.

It's the usual backwash from the backlash. It's kind of is a big obstacle , but so was trading him while expecting a big return for a guy not likely to have enough left in the tank to be the same pitcher he's been up to this point. Rosenthal is just echoing what Joel Sherman of the NY Post wrote this morning which echos almost exactly what I've been posting for at least a week. Sherman's NY Post article https://nypost.com/2024/07/26/sports/dodgers-best-positioned-at-trade-deadline-to-meet-garrett-crochets-demands/

You forgot to add the MLB anti tanking draft rules and JRs focus on building a real estate empire around the UC and fund a new stadium complex in the South Loop that may severely impact the amount of money JR is willing to let Getz spend again next year or for several years. There's also JRs dumping NBCSN for creating his new version of the failed Sportsvision from many years ago .

They don't sign Tier A free agents anyway or Tier B for that matter. While I agree that the Sox are likely not to send him down to get back the extra year but he's worth more if they do. But it's not like they wouldn't have a legitimate reason to do so. They've had plenty of opportunities including the beginning of this year to do it. Instead they worked with Garrett saw he was making great progress because of changes to his pitch repetoire by adding the cutter which Crochet adapted to beautifully and cutting back on his sweeper. Every opportunity was given to Garrett to pitch in the major leagues and it's because of that, that he is destined to become a very young FA and possibly have an opportunity to makes hundreds of millions of dollars. The Sox have very few assets worth very much and Crochet and more likely his agents torpedoed most possibilities of a trade. I hope Crochet's agent made him aware that the Sox could send him down and gain another year of control back before they blew everything up with the extension controversy. Otherwise he's been poorly handled by his agency who got greedy and tried to get their cut of Crochet's impending riches a bit early.

I understand where your coming from. I also am aware that the Sox did likely lowball him. JR wasn't going to approve of a $100M extension for a guy with his injury and pitching history. I actually agree a low-ball offer would be appropriate if they gave him a modest extension with an opt out built in. He still has 2 seasons to pitch before he reaches Free agency. That's not nothing for a guy with his injury history. He has no leverage to get a large extension especially when the Sox could use their leverage to make it 3 years before he reaches Free Agency.

Sherman and I are on the same wavelength except I beat him to the punch. It's like he's been reading my posts from the last week and the lengthy one I just posted prior to you posting your info about the Sherman article which I wasn't aware. But it is indeed a longshot.

We'll have to see what kind money he can spend 1st. I'm not exactly anticipating JR loosening the purse strings . The possibility does exist that they could be even worse next year even if JR gives him slightly more money to spend if you take Fedde Robert and Crochet off the team between now and opening 2025. They'll be starting 2025 with less MLB talent than this year.

I'm sure it's already been a failure in your eyes. 1st thing you did when the whole Crochet thing stated was blame the Sox. I on the other hand always thought Crochet would be difficult to move and doubted he would be traded and said so in many posts and because of that you called me naive . I chose to use my mind in analyzing the situation instead of believing reports that it was a certainty that he would be moved after he refused a White Sox extention. Before and after that report the situation was the same .He probably wouldn't have been able to pitch in the playoffs anyway so who exactly was going to trade for him ? I thought the Dodgers might trade so him, not necessarily to count on him to pitch in the playoffs but might get him now and use him for the next 2 years . They also could offer him an extension, not necessarily right away but after he pitched well in 2025 .I'm sure they would offer him a much larger extension than the Sox ever would. However as with any trade Getz would have to be satisfied with the return. If he traded with the Dodgers I could surmise that you would be among the 1st to say Getz made a terrible trade. Also youve had a hard time distinguishing between defending Getz and defending that he was hired to be thrust into a no win situation by an owner who appears to have more important interests he plans to invest in and speaks with a forked tongue regarding the Sox. If JR needs cash for those other investments why spend millions of dollars to make the Sox better in the next few years ? He'll allow token money to be spent like this year after payroll was slashed and part of that slashing was trading Cease. It'll be slashed again when Moncada and Eloy are off the books and maybe others. They are currently planning to slash more by trading anyone with a pulse which also has been no surprise since January . You blame Getz for not getting better players on the roster when he had hardly any money to spend. Do you think he just wanted to sign a bunch of bums ? Of course not . But he had a lot of roster spots to fill and no players to fill them . His choice was either give a bunch of guys minor league contracts which I doubt MLB would be happy about or sign a bunch of guys who might play decent defense or at least be good guys because the only good players he might have were pitchers. He got Fedde to sign here. Does that mean he outsmarted every GM in baseball, all of whom could've used a guy like Fedde ? How many GMs biggest expenditure of the off season was $15M on a 2 year contract ? You complain that any blind man could see that he wasted millions of dollars on Lopez and Maldonado. Have you analyzed every free agent dollar spent last winter and seen how much was spent on guys having terrible years or got injured or signed guys they later released ? Getz was operating from the cheap seats signing marginal players. Of course his failure rate was going to be high. He's a damn pawn of Reinsdorf given peanuts to spend on scraps in the 1st full year of a knockdown & rebuild and you act like you expected miracles. He actually did get 2 miracles Fedde and Crochet none of whom you ever give him credit for. Both far outweigh your minor grievances turning molehills into mountains. Some of his most expensive and supposedly best players that he inherited once again proved that they couldn't stay healthy or not worth the money they were paid so no salary relief or prospects to get there. So sorry JR WhiteSox2023 is on the job making sure the pennies you gave Getz is well spent. You recently asked and why exactly does Getz deserve credit for Crochet ? I believe it was satisfactorily answered by more than just me. He's not to blame for what Crochet's agents did either.

At least you're asking questions.

Thank you. Finally that's all I needed

Everyone's playing patti-cake so far with depth pieces . Deadline dud . Prove me wrong.

Which contenders will step up for a big ticket item I hope Fedde is traded soon but he's not considered enough of a big ticket item to set off a surge of buying activity to keep pace with what a rival may be doing to upgrade. Need some chain reaction panic buying to keep up with the Jones'es.

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I know you keep trying to hammer this home to me and I'm sure in essence it's correct but I still don't understand why Heyman had that info probably before the All Star game and held it for what 4 -6 days ? It sure got confirmed by enough people after that. But of course no one is saying how they confirm it independent of piggybacking Heymans report. All of a sudden all these different people confirming it now have there own sources that had the same info as Heyman. That a lot of sources popping up. I haven't heard one of them say they talked to Crochet like Heyman did or that they talked to his agent. People in power manipulate the media all the time . Media sources themselves are biased to their own ideologies . The truth is out there .?

According to one poster it should be painfully obvious to all of us that Crochet hates the Sox . If that's the case he couldn't hate them much more than he already does if they stuck him the minors for a month. Do it. He got all that service time while injured and if his pitches are slowing down is an indication he's getting tired then they have every right to demote him to shut him down and regain a year of service time. If Crochet is playing hardball ( and I don't know if that was CAA's plan ) then go for it. He's not the only one that has to protect himself. The Sox would be well within their rights to do it.

This sounds exactly like what I posted .At least I'm not the only one who thinks there's some questionable tactics from high markets teams involved here. I'm hoping to eventually hear or read a statement from Crochet or the Sox.

Another damned if you do and damned if you don't scenario. You have some fans who chose every opportunities to blame Getz for everything. He didn't make the 1st major trade if the off season . He's sitting on his hands. He asking too much . He's in over his head. Then if he makes a trade it would be " Why didn't he wait til closer to the deadline ? Doesn't that idiot know how to pit one team against the other to get their best last minute offers " ??? " He's in over his head !!. Or wow what a terrible trade. Basically the fan base is split between everything the Sox do is bad and some who are slightly more reasonable and only think most of what the Sox do is bad.?

I'd have to try to do some math to figure out how you think going to the pen would decrease his innings more than being an opener. It's never been about the innings with him. It's about sticking with his routine. Being a reliever 2 or 3 times a week getting up and throwing in the pen is way different than his routine between starts. However the chances are and always have been remote either way so I don't see the point of discussing it any more. All we're doing is trying to figure out is ways he could get to and pitch in the post season when the chances of that happening have been and remain nearly nil.

You already recommended he stop throwing right now , stay on his throwing program and said there's a strong possibility he could have issues next year because of his usage this year. I'm having a hard time now with you saying pitching in the post season is a reasonable possibility given your previous statements. It's like you're playing both sides of the fence because of a very slim chance he could pitch as a reliever which we all know he didn't want to do. GMs knew it too so why trade for the guy if you know he's highly unlikely to pitch at all in the post season given everything we heard prior to the Heyman report ? How many GMs do you think would trade for him and say we're going to force you to pitch in the pen if you can still pitch in October which according to your own recommendation shouldn't happen at all but then you say it's not out of the realm of possibilities. I've also said there's a very slim chance he could pitch in the post season if a team used him as an opener for an inning or 2 then ramped him up to more innings to try and get some 5 innings outings out of him in the post season. But that too is highly unlikely. He could stay on his started routine at least that way. I still don't get why any team would purposely want to sabotage their own investment in him by forcing him to do something he clearly thinks is not good for him or trade for him at all given how slim the chances already were of pitching in the postseason in any capacity. There's really only been one way a team could trade for Crochet at the deadline and that would be because they think he can pitch a full season for the next 2 years very cheaply. That's a much more reasonable risk than expecting him to pitch in the post season this year.

That doesn't make it make any more sense. He likely wouldnt have been able to pitch in the postseason anyway. Every GM out there knew what we all knew that Crochet's chances of pitching in the post season 99% not happening. Getting an extension wouldn't improve the health of his arm. There's something off about this whole thing.

Tell me this then. Heyman said he talked to Crochet at the All Star break. If he had that info why did he not report it nearly a week ago. Why hold onto the info till yesterday ? Crochet being hard to move was no mystery to me because of the likelihood of not being able to pitch in the post season plus the high price. It's not like all the other GMs couldn't figure that out too. I don't know why it's suddenly dawned on posters here that's it's as true now as it's ever been.

He might but right now we have no idea if the Sox would ever make an offer like that.More likely they wouldn't given JRs history on pitching contracts and his recent behavior regarding the Sox. The whole issue is a mystery .

Why would it ? Fedde has innings under his belt and should be able to pitch in the post season. I don't know what else Fedde can do at this point to be considered any more valuable. He's getting out the best hitters in the world . This isn't some kind of trick.