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Just like any other move it either will or won't work out. But like you said defense has to be better which is what I've been aiming at . Speed , good gloves , strong armed power hitting, dynamic, energetic MLB ready, 20 something OFers. Clevinger has a good ground ball rate which the Sox usually target for SP.

How's Martin's defense and speed ?

No based on age alone Cueto will get less.

I'll guess more than $10M to get it done this early in the off season .

Sounds done. Good SP always number one priority. Now see what the Dodgers will give up for Hendricks and while they mull it over get another cheap OF so you don't look so desperate ( even though you are).

Sounds simple enough. How much salary are the Sox saving with the guys you are trading ? Why are we trading for catching ? Who is Eguy ? How long and how much is Trea Turner costing ? What are you smoking ?

Yea probably but it's not like my OF plan isn't needed . You can do worse than getting MLB ready talent who are going to give u speed and defense in the OF with hitting upside with years of control.Upgrades are upgrades . wherever they are. It sure fits the budget better than piecemealing guys who cost more for a year or 2. That's usually the Hahn plan that hasn't been working too well. We criticize him and want him fired but most of you are throwing the same names around he would and get the same bad results or short term decent results. Hahn talked about a 10 year + run of playoffs. So far he's accomplished nothing. There has to be more depth. There's nothing in the OF in AAA or the Sox . It's beyond pitiful. When does long lasting team building happen ? No SP depth either.

Now you're on my wavelength. You come around eventually ?

Pretty sure I mentioned Kelenic at the trade deadline for the same reasons you are. No idea how little it would cost to get him but worth checking into.

I think if the Sox targeted Clevinger because Katz likes something about him it could work out. Cueto is a big loss. Just guessing here but I think he averaged the most innings per start among the Sox SP . His stats were good. I'd say Clevinger outperforming Cueto is a 33% chance. But hoping the chances are better that Giolito , Kopech and Lynn outperform their 2022 selves. Cease maintaining the status quo would be good.

Too early for a showcase. He can let his shoulder heal and strengthen it for another 2 months if Boras desires. Declare it 100 % healed now but take your time signing. That's what I think will happen. We never get much truth from Boras about how he hurt it or how it may effect his game. Its nothing but blowing smoke up everyone's ass.

Thanks. I wasn't sure. Hard to keep track of if the Sox finally got rid of guys that have shown very little progress.OF depth at an all time low . Nothing left in the majors or AAA except Robert and the 3 non OF OFers , Sheets, Vaughn and Eloy. If Clevinger signs doesn't leave much money left to sign an OF . Trades are the next move . Outman on my list. Stone Garrett still available . OF pieces still need at least 2 or 3 more besides Colas.

Nope . Depth piece better than Cespedes ,Rutherford . Not my problem if the Sox don't want to improve depth and Aquino goes where he gets paid. My ideas were always meant to improve on the margins. This team has so many problems that marginal upgrades to defense, speed and depth are quite helpful. If you never understand that team building is a process and think that every off season move should make headlines then you are out of your depth talking about it.

Well Sheets too, at least at home but there's no place for him this year unless Hahn keeps hibernating.

Before we heard about the supposed payroll cut, Benintendi seemed like the most obvious pursuit of an OF FA. Then I decided if JR was going cheap to switch my focus to pitching and defense with OFers way cheaper but with MLB ready, athletic, skillful profiles.

Sleep deprivation is not a good thing for anyone around you or yourself.

That's how I've been approaching it , pitching and the OF, speed , defense, power, LH, younger. Operate on the margins to improve the team. We already have the new manager and coaches. Grifol is preaching energy. He saw that in Cleveland with a bunch of hungry young talented players with a strong pitching staff. They gave the Yankees a good run. They have a great manager.

I never mentioned Wong.

Wrong again . Stone Garrett and Outman.

Neither are Engel or Cespedes. What now every acquisition no matter how minor even for depth purposes has to be LH ?

Correct poor hit tool but had plus WAR because of his power and defense. Depth piece. Highlight reel type arm. Outman also has a 60 rated arm . Colas not sure . Gotta be 55- 60. Had around 10 HRs in 250 ABs, About an equal rate to Bellinger . Working in the margins here.

Aquino is like the 3rd guy I mentioned for OF depth. Arestides Aquino. I know you must remember him from 2019 . He broke records for the most amount of HRs to start a career and has a gun in RF. All I'm saying is that the OF depth is so poor that even Aquino is a better depth piece than Cespedes ATM.

Outman and perhaps Garrett. No one can say with 100 % accuracy how all 3 of them are going to turn out. All we know right now is that all three are good defenders and hit for power. Outman and Garrett had full AAA very good AAA seasons while Colas worked his way from A+ to AAA. Garrett and Outman had small samples of success in the Majors while Colas has yet to make his debut.

That's where I've been trying to help the team , on the margins by adding depth to the OF that is better than any other OFer we have besides Colas and they are possibly his equal.