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2023 MLB offseason signings and rumors thread
CaliSoxFanViaSWside replied to southsider2k5's topic in Pale Hose Talk
Not that I'm aware. Once DFA'd teams have a week to work out a deal with someone. There's still around 4 days left in that week. I do know he hit his 1st MLB HR off of Cease and later against SF he hit one off of Rodon. -
2023 MLB offseason signings and rumors thread
CaliSoxFanViaSWside replied to southsider2k5's topic in Pale Hose Talk
Maybe you missed the part about the speed,defense,power, 6 years of eligibility .5 fWar ,. 538 Slg% , .838 OPS and 136 OPS+,131 wRC+ in just 27 games, .568 slg. % and .900 OPS in AAA in 2022, and options left . Plenty of teams are going to be interested in this guy and Jimmy also thinks he should be on the Sox radar. Plenty of good hitters have high K rates but I suppose you rather have Adam Engel, Vaughn and Sheets in the OF . If he was a perfect player he'd be a superstar instead of DFA'd. But good job of focusing on the negatives ! Kyle Lewis is a shell of his former self . -
2023 MLB offseason signings and rumors thread
CaliSoxFanViaSWside replied to southsider2k5's topic in Pale Hose Talk
Kind of weird how AZ. traded for the RH OF Lewis when they DFA Stone Garrett . Why give up a guy for a guy when you had a guy ? Garrett was called up by Arizona in August and immediately let his presence be known. In 27 games, Garrett slashed .276/.309/.539 while putting up a 131 wRC+ and 0.5 fWAR. Garrett has potential due to his mix of speed and raw power. However, there are legit concerns about his swing-and-miss tendencies and overall plate discipline, which manifested at the major league level in the form of a 32.1 strikeout percentage and 3.6 walk percentage. Still, considering the fact that he has options remaining and has proven he can handle major league pitching, there’s no reason to believe Garrett won’t be claimed and given a chance to earn a role next spring. Which is why I want the Sox to claim him. -
I don't think you can do better than Balta's research. Dates when you have the surgery and when you're able to pitch again are all pretty much out there in black and white.
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That's all I got . A .500 team doesn't need Hendriks. Time to set him free.If your infrastructure is as good as they think it is, they will come back strong this year. And if not ,well Fire Hahn ,because on his watch they can't identify nor develop talent.
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You were expecting DeGrom ? This whole off season will be underwhelming names but it would be nice to see some names with upside and years attached to their names
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Plus there are always cheap BP arms out there sign 2 of them for $5M and 2 more for $1M apiece and let it fly. Yes rely on your MLB/MilB scouting.
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Maybe update the title to show Cease finished 2nd just for posterity's sake before it slips into obscurity.
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I'm leaning this way but not sure about a haul. See if the Dodger want him. Has 1 year and a Club Option left. Basically $33M for 2 years.
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Most recent Soxtalk Podcast, Garfien with Justin Jirschele. , the Birmingham manager. Mostly about Colas, but also Project Birmingham, Ramos , Rodriquez, and Kelly.
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Thread with updates on who accepted/rejected Q.O.
CaliSoxFanViaSWside replied to bmags's topic in Pale Hose Talk
Which is strange for a RHH but basically can't hit any pitching and Career OPS .100 less against RHP. But for a minor league depth piece with light tower power and decent fielder with a strong arm at least he's not a guy with out any tools except power. Those types even at 29 yrs old can find the right swing or something and then they become very valuable. He punishes mistakes 1HR every 26 AB with the Reds last year. -
Thread with updates on who accepted/rejected Q.O.
CaliSoxFanViaSWside replied to bmags's topic in Pale Hose Talk
Maybe starting tomorrow the titled can be changed to non tendered players. Betwen the non tendered and guys DFA'd on the 14th or 15th we should begin to see more action. Hoping the Sox can either work something out with the Dbacks and Reds for Stone Garrett and Arestides Aquino for possible MLB OF depth or Charlotte. Both good players with lots of pop. -
There is another guy that got DFA I wouldn't mind taking a look at, Arestides Aquino who will be 29 in April. He made big news in August 2019, hitting .320/.391/.767 and was breaking home run records for about a two week stretch for most career home runs in X-number of career plate appearances to begin a career. He had .7 fWar last year , big power, huge and accurate arm for LF or RF . Very positive defensive player which is why he had the .7 fWar and even higher bWar of 1.4 in 2022 . He's just never been able to sustain the bat promise and not very selective at the dish either. But it would be great depth at AAA and sure to mash there. Outman, Colas, Garrett and Aquino ,2 LH, 2 RH, all play good D all have decent to great arms and power. Aquino and Garrett DFA's ,already have Colas, so 2 guys easy to obtain.
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2023 MLB offseason signings and rumors thread
CaliSoxFanViaSWside replied to southsider2k5's topic in Pale Hose Talk
Jays were also after Ian Happ at the trade deadline last year when the Cubs priced him out of everyone's market. -
Outman is basically everything they should have been looking for last year, LH, good fielder, strong arm , power, great OBP. I think the Dodgers value him very highly and he needs to get a chance right now when he is 25 and coming off a huge minor league season. I can see Outman in a trade with the Brewers for Brandon Woodruff or Corbin Burnes.
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I do of course have plenty of doubts the Dodgers would give up Outman and Amaya for a rental like Giolito. Might have to throw in Cespedes or someone else. The Dodgers like getting sure things. Freeman, Betts, Machado, Trea Turner , Max Scherzer at the trade deadline a few years ago. They don't often deal with maybes like Giolito when giving up a top prospect like Outman.
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If picking up his option was the correct move because it was possible to flip him for something positive why couldn't Hahn make a deal until April 1st ? By then Hahn was in desperation mode and forced himself to take on the extra year and extra money in Pollock's contract. That trade and picking up the option was basically however many years of Madrigal and Heuer at minimal salary for Kimbrel his prorated salary for 2021 and Pollock and his $12M 2022 salary and possible 12M+ salary for 2023 minus the $16M Kimbrel salary for 2023. A Hahn specialty trading youth for old putting him in a role he sucked at then trading old for old and taking on more money. Is anyone surprised Vaughn and Sheets have been in the OF ? 2022 was supposed to be a big year. World Series year. They needed a LHH OF badly and better OF defense and that's the best Hahn could do ?
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I like anything that puts Colas, Outman and Robert in the same OF. Pick up Stone Garrett to back them all up and woo that's a nice infusion of talented guys in their 20's all with power and all can play defense and 2 LHH.
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Dodgers got Kimbrel for how ever much they saved on the Pollock contract which was what, $8M max. or more if he got the amount of AB's with the Dodgers he got with the Sox. The Dodger got what they paid for which was an $8M gift from the Sox.
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I was very upset when Hahn picked up the option and maybe it took him a long time to trade him because of he couldn't get a prospect but yeah still disgusting the whole Kimbrel situation from beginning to end with Pollock luckily turning down the option and taking the buyout instead. Decline the option and you have salary to work with. Pick it up take your chances you can move the whole salary or get something useful back for the the same amount of salary or less salary. Hahn actually managed to do neither and ends up trading him and taking on more salary for his typical veteran trade that of course bombs. That's a level of bad that cannot be emphasized enough. Hahn did more for the NL West than he did for the Sox.
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Either way that trade still was terrible for the Sox. I already said it was a smart trade for the Dodgers so however you look at it the Dodgers GM aced Hahn. Hahn may have never asked for a prospect. I have my doubts that the Dodgers didn't have a few decent prospects they would have been willing to give up including Outman. On paper a 3 WAR RH Pollock may have looked better to Hahn than a guy who might not have contributed to the Sox in 2022. Even without Pollock the LH Outman only got in 4 games with the Dodgers and kicked ass and was promptly sent back down. Outman should be a starting OF for somebody in 2023. Will it be the Dodgers ?
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I don't see any hyperbole let alone a lot. What has Hahn/KW/JR done to make the Sox better since they let Renteria go? They have only become much worse. And again support your claim. Show me some times that a full season 1 year rental helped teams win a championship. I know there are probably a lot of trades that ended up neutral, the player didn't help a team win a championship and the prospects didn't pan out , but there are still salary implications involved with trading for a rental whereas the team getting the prospects gets salary relief. Kimbrel didn't help the Dodgers statistically but it actually was a smart trade for them because Hahn took back a player who ended up being more expensive than the guy he gave up. Kimbrel's salary was $16M for 2022 whereas at the very least Pollock was $12M + the $5M buyout for 2023. However if he had stayed with the Dodgers it's likely he doesn't get the AB's required to increase his salary for 2023 with the Dodgers but he still could have chose his player option @ $12M for 2023 with them. If ever a trade called for a prospect for a guy Kimbrel was it. But no Hahn doubled down on his trade deadline deal and it ended up being a bigger bust than it already was. Only by the grace of Pollock was that trade not extremely terrible but just terrible. Basically by accepting that trade Hahn once again made it seem like he was working for the Dodgers rather than the Sox just as he did when now the Giants can get a draft pick back for Rodon instead of the Sox getting a draft pick for him. There is no such thing as hyperbole when talking about the Sox FO ineptitude.
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I don't think "not the worst option out there" is something I'd put on my resume. Your minor leaguers are probably not the worst options out there either and its possible they develop into better than that at some point. Rentals are hit and miss and basically pointless unless you win a championship and they play a major roll. Even if many of the core pieces rebound and that propels the Sox to the playoffs and Winker provided stats in the range he had before he went to the AL you still now have to fill that hole again.
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Are the White Sox championship caliber ? That's the only time a rental makes sense. There are way more trades for rentals at the trade deadline than there are in the off season. Smart teams wait to see how they do during the season before looking for that final piece or pieces to put them over the top and they are usually going to cost less to acquire for just a few months rather than a whole season. Make your case for rentals for a whole season for a team that's been .500 for 1.5 years. Did it help the Dodgers trading for Kimbrel ? Easy for you to ask "do you think the Sox are giving up Colas ?"" They'll just give up a Intl. prospect nobody knows anything about like this guy named Fernando Tatis, Jr. Come on man make some sense. This is the White Sox.
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Exactly. Best not to ever expect anything because you'll be disappointed most of the time and when you aren't it might be a happy surprise. I got no control so what can I expect ? Hope yes expect , no.