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There's good chance Corbin isn't in a deal for Soto. Why would the Nats want to diminish the return in prospects even eating a bit of the money ? No one should bail them out . It could happen but I'm pegging it as unlikely. Corbin is like an approx $70M (money owed this year and the remainder of his contract) version of Keuchel only a couple of years younger. He can't throw strikes and when he does he gets lit up like fireworks on the 4th of July. Even if they eat half the salary plus what you end up playing Soto for the next 2.5 years that's approximately $40+M per year for Soto since Corbin is essentially unplayable for a contender plus prospect capital.

His value is staying on the field and hitting well. We've seen value diminish with a guy like Eloy. I'll take the value Vaughn provides the Sox right now. The best ability is availability. He's improved so much from last year. Hopefully it's just the beginning of his hitting improvements.

I look at it this way. The Rangers have got tremendous value from Perez.He's their Cueto. However you are likely looking at regression from Perez and Cueto in the 2nd half and the Sox have no idea if Lynn can pitch effectively in the 2nd half . Plus there's the whole Kopech IP problem. Plus Martin Perez has slayed the Astros this year with his 2 starts against them. The Sox are going to need more starting pitching to contend not less this year and some salary relief to afford Soto for the next 2.5 years. Start with Eloy's salary and go from there. With Soto you don't need Eloy anyway. Trading Giolito just adds to the starting pitching problem. I think Giolito is a little too close to free agency for the Nats to want him.

Eloy for Martin Perez !! Who says no ?

Thinking too much. You don't worry about Eloy and Sheets right now. They are nothing burgers and as likely to be involved in upcoming trades as they are to stay with the Sox .If the Sox can't get Soto with the following players to choose from then they won't get him: Eloy,Sheets, Burger, Davis Martin, Montgomery, Colas, Sosa, Crochet and basically any other minor league guys the Nats want. Vaughn could be left out of the equation. Trade 7 guys for all I care , a mix of quantity and quality.

I know the contract isn't that much but it is if he continues to be who he is. The Sox don't need him now and they won't need him for the next 2.5 years if he gets you Soto . It might also allow you to keep Vaughn if Eloy, Montgomery, Colas and Davis Martin can get you Soto. AT least you save some money with that trade and the constant throbbing headache of his many deaths.

Right I was saying Eloy is fine to trade IF the Nats consider him salvageable but Eloy along with something like Montgomery,Colas, Davis Martin and maybe the Nats find it intriguing and it leaves the Sox playable roster untouched.

Well sure if u count it as 2 seasons which 2020 was not.

Or on the flip side waiting for a bad fielder to suddenly stop getting injured just to end up being a permanent DH or 1st baseman while we pay him just might be worth getting rid of while anyone has interest in him. Potential future value of Eloy be damned. Dump him and the money owed to him before it's too late.

That's a lot of salary to be picking up without getting rid of enough up unless you can tell me other ways the Sox shed more salary since the idiots tied themselves into 2 years of Pollock and threw money at an injured relief pitcher instead of getting a prospect for Kimbrel which could've helped in a Soto trade.

You're right ,can't do that, 2 valuable pieces of the current and future team is a no go. If the Nats do trade Soto by the deadline they will hold out till the bitter end hoping for other teams get involved and teams upping their offers and injuries to key components of contenders.

Have to be a lot more flexible than that usually in a big trade some pitching is involved but there's no way to include young 2 major components of the 26 man roster unless Nats think Eloy is salvageable. Burger sure, Sheets sure , Sosa, Crochet, Colas, Davis Martin, all other in the Sox Top 30 they all have to be in play.

It helps to think that the Sox have no sustained winning future anyway beyond the Soto years. By then we'll know if Moncada is a real player and if Eloy will ever stay healthy. lus Gilito will be gone, Lynn will be gone , whats left of the core will be lots more expensive. JR could live to be 100 but at some near future date he's likely to be replaced as Chairman further muddying the waters of future Sox teams.

My wild trade proposal if they can secure Soto 1st. Or maybe before . Offer the Rangers Lance Lynn and a prospect for Martin Perez, a known Astros killer and upcoming free agent. Yes the Rangers might not be open to an older guy with his contract but it might depend on what other teams offer for Perez. Likely they get a decent prospect for him from one of the other AL contenders maybe even the Twins or Guardians. It would clear some salary for Soto's upcoming arbitration money. Or maybe just trade Lynn to whoever in the NL puts any prospect value in him and don't complete the trade unless the Rangers say yes to the Sox other offer for Perez. Problem is with the Sox farm they probably can't get both and probably can't even beat other offers for Soto and Perez unless its a quantity and quality package that includes some combination of players like Sheets, Burger, Crochet, Vaughn, Colas ,Montgomery, Carlos Perez, Sosa, and various others in our Top Ten prospects. If there's no way to get Soto shift to Bryan Reynolds or Happ plus Perez, which seems a lot more likely. I'd do the best I could to get Perez and keep him away from the Twins or Guardians.

True on the 1st part but talk about extending him is pointless and shouldn't factor into the equation of trading for him.

Translation : According to my sources, several teams such as: #Mets, #Yankees,#Cardinals, #Dodgers, #WhiteSox are preparing offers to try to take Juan Soto from the Nationals

Machado and Harper talk was huge contracts in the off season. Soto is not a huge contract. He'll be paid big money for 2.5 years because of arbitration but we're not talking $300M to get him. We're talking trading baseball players for him. 95% chance you're right, it doesn't happen, but Sox make more trades than they do signing people to $300M contracts so there's a better chance.

That was off season too so we had more time to run up the count. Then we had months now we have had literally less than a week since Soto turned down the Nats offer which then led to a lot more speculation he'd be traded.

It shouldn't be devastating though especially if it wins you a World Series in 2022,23 and 24. Odds are he will not get an extension from any team. Boras takes the majority of his high profile talent to Free Agency most of the time. Odds also are that if the Sox are going to win a World Series it'll be in the next2 or 3 years. Then the Sox go back to who they have always been, a non contender in a weak division with new ownership most likely ,which clouds the future even more. All these reports and tweets about what the Nats want and what they will get are 2 very distinct things.

Not really. Theoretically any team can trade for Soto given the right package. That doesn't mean you have to sign him to a long term contract. He's going to Free Agency no matter what. The team trading for him has to give up whoever they give up and pay him whatever he gets in his arbitration years which is likely to be in the $60M range. Then it's bye bye Soto and if the team that trades for him ends up sucking they can also trade him mid season of his final year before FA.

No one expects the Sox to pay Soto his worth when he reaches Free Agency. Heck they probably can't afford to pay him what he'll get in arbitration for the remainder of his contract. A trade would be for Soto's remaining 2.5 years only because Soto puts the Sox where we need to be for the contention window. I think the Sox record would be vastly improved had they had run production of the type Soto provides from the left side. There is a very slim chance it happens but it's not impossible. Let us have our fun speculating about it. Heck we have no idea how any team and even how the Sox value Eloy right now. He can still become a great hitter if he can ever stay on the field and he is cost controlled with an option through 2026. You'd have to think Eloy still might draw some interest from the Nats. One thing we know for sure is that the Sox won't be taking on Strasburg or Corbin's contracts and I'm doubtful any other team does also.

Exactly . Chris sale was traded and he was cost controlled for 3 years and how much did the Sox get for him ? A look back: https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/this-trade-in-history-chris-sale-to-the-red-sox/ Moncada is, at this time, considered the #1 prospect in baseball by Fangraphs (who rate him a 70, which is rare); #2 overall in the sport by both Baseball America and MLB Pipeline; and #5 by Baseball Prospectus. In other words, there is strong consensus that he’ll be a future star, and his stats validate it: at age 21, he put up a 156 WRC+ at High-A, followed by a 152 WRC+ at AA, which earned him a late-season cup of coffee with the big club. There’s some doubt about whether he’ll land at 2B or 3B, but no one doubts that his bat will be elite. You rarely see a prospect with a triple-digit valuation, but this one seems justified. *Kopech is, at this time, ranked #32 at Baseball America, #10 at MLB Pipeline, and #36 at Baseball Prospectus. Fangraphs rates him a 55 (on the traditional scouting scale of 20-80, where 50 is considered good). All of that suggests he’ll be a future impact arm – most likely as a #2 starter – although Eric Longenhagen of Fangraphs does note that comes with risk – he’s had some injury issues and off-field incidents, and his high-octane velo coupled with delivery issues suggests some reliever risk. Basabe was projected as maybe a 4th OF type and Victor Diaz was a throw in RHP. Soto has 2.5 years left and his salary is not cost controlled. He'll be getting record arbitration numbers. The Sox don't have a Moncada type and Montgomery might be too far away for the Nats to consider him a Top Ten Prospect but realistically that's where Montgomery is headed but he has to continue doing the things he's doing now for another season for him to reach the top 10. Colas isn't ranked in the Top 100 . He might get there at the end of the year if he continues to crush at AA. He had some good exposure getting to the Futures game and the players in that game are just the types the Nats want ,AA and AAA type high ranking players. Colas is older than Soto but a better athlete, better fielder easily, LH like Soto . He might have to crack the Top 50 prospects list but that isn't going to happen before the Nats trade him unless it doesn't happen by the deadline. Considering it's Cola's 1st year, he's adjusted well and hopefully he climbs through the system faster now. He's now at a level where he's age appropriate so raking at Birmingham would mean Colas might also be a fast riser and crack the Top 100 whenever they do them again in the winter. But as an older player in his 1st year , he just hasn't been around long enough and hadn't been seen throughout an American HS and College career to get highly ranked .He may already be a Top 50 guy by some scouts estimations but it won't show in rankings. The cost controlled salary Sale had means a lot more to potential suitors than Soto's whatever he gets in arbitration numbers means to his suitors . He has less years remaining than Sale did. But he is an everyday player whose hitting is so good it makes up for his fielding. He may never get to 7 fWAR again but for the next 2.5 he should be around 15 fWAR if he stays healthy which is always a concern . Sox got 1 great hitting and speed prospect and 1 very good pitching prospect a guy with a 50/50 chance of having a MLB career and a throw in pitcher who had 93 innings , nothing above A ball and nothing outstanding in his over all numbers but had a live arm. The Red Sox prospects in their system were ranked 1, 3, 8 and 28. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/12/red-sox-to-acquire-chris-sale.html

This one makes the most sense to me. At the All-Star game the announcers said there's a very real chance Soto is traded. They said Washington wants near MLB ready talent . I would suspect that means AA and AAA talent where the Sox prospects are the weakest or guys in their 1st 2 years of playing with 4 or more years of eligibility left. How many of these types they want or should get is highly speculative.

It's not a bad thing. I'd like to see an aggressive assignment for him next year. Maybe straight to A+. Would he be expected to go to ACL or Kanny next ?