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Ha pot calling the kettle black. You're sort of crazy during game threads broski.?

Thorpe been in the rotation 5 weeks now and is already 3rd among the pitchers with 3 wins.

Iriarte or Eder aren't even the top guys. You left out Cannon, Mason Adams and Ky Bush.

Maybe I need a refresher course. Can anyone besides Fathom tell me why Harold deserves such a place of honor besides that he "might" in some people's minds work for the Sox ? The guy is always super cryptic about anything he says usually only hinting at stuff. That style may give you all boners but it more likely means nothing except he likes to be thought of as an insider.

Honestly using common sense will make you more right . If the Sox aren't capable of carrying one bad contract during a rebuild when they're knocking $100+ off the payroll between last year's trade deadline and the coming off season dumping of Eloy and Moncada then Sox fans have lost it completely. I know I blame JR for everything so I kind of get it but that would be completely asinine.

Who Harold ? You all think he actually knows anything ?

How is this Benitendi packaged along with Crochet even a thing? It's like mass paranoia set in like during the off-season about getting Salvy Perez and that other ex Royal.

Colas too

You think there's a chance he's not ? No GM is given absolute freedom especially JR GMs. How is this not constantly remembered ?

Depending how the trade deadline goes I expect to see some new names for Kanny the Dash and Barons.

Still don't think you can say that. COVID and TJS took care of that. He just wasn't ready until after he became bigger and that wasn't till after the TJS. This is essentially his 1st year after TJS. .

Sosa solo HR in 9th. 7 for 13 in the series 3 doubles and a HR. Game over Guardians 8 Sox 4 Happy Independence Day !

Shuster getting a start is probably a result of holding Thorpe back. Rotation until either Crochet ,Fedde or both get traded in no particular order. Shuster Thorpe Cannon Crochet Flexen Fedde Clevinger once he's activated again.

He might not be awake .Not sure of what time it is in China. Go ahead and start the game thread if you want.

He was built more like Sale until he physically matured. Now he's built like a Sequoia ( as one of our posters said) . So my speculative guess is that he just couldn't handle much of any type of pitching before he became the physically imposing specimen he is now after TJS.

As I mentioned earlier if you view what the Sox did ( surely it was not Hahn's decision alone since he's not a coach or scout), that path led directly to where is right now so calling it mismanagement seems out of place. And pitchers always try new things as do hitters. That's part of development.

But that wasn't necessarily the plan going into the season. He could've just as easily got hurt or not been as good as he has been before he had any worth like many including me were expecting. It's been good from the Sox perspective that they have a valuable player they can move but also from Crochet's perspective that he's betting on himself to make millions in a few years. How that works out for him IDK. Some think he's worth a 4 or 5 year extension worth $100M + right now. It's not a foregone conclusion that he can just keep pitching the way he has been until he becomes a free agent. Others here think a team friendly extension would be more prudent based on health history and just 100 inning of great stats. And some think trade him while you can and let another team figure it out. It's quite a unique situation.

They could actually combine the 2. JR certainly spends more than a lot of small market teams but it's wasteful spending. If they bulked up the infrastructure of scouting and development and weren't such babies about international free agency they could be a cross between the Rays/Brewers/ Guardians and teams that will spend more on payroll. Of course it's not going to happen that way because it's not the way JR has ever done it. He's more content just dangling the carrot of the mirage of being competitve while he now crys poor because of location and the high cost of top players.

That's why I asked him to clarify what he meant by bullpen. What you just said is what I said earlier and said at the beginning of the season after listening to Crochet talk about how he wanted to be a starter and totally embraced a starting pitcher's routine. This idea gainng traction that the Sox don't care about his health has no basis in fact. It's only based on how much he is pitching and lack of actual knowledge about how the Sox AND CROCHET wanted to approach his usage. I understand that it's a very unique situation and that how it's being done is not the normal err on the side of caution way but I have a hard time believing anyone among Bannister , Getz and Crochet himself think he's being treated as a piece of high quality meat.

I don't think anyone can actually say with any amount of certainty that even if Crochet had been developed as a starter that he wouldve been doing what he's doing now earlier. Maybe it's just that in college and his early years with the Sox his body or arm was not equipped to handle either role without injury. He probably ends up having TJS either way. He's much bigger and stronger now than he was back then . We have to keep in mind that despite all the gnashing of teeth about how he was developed it led directly to what he's doing now . It's just wish casting to think Crochet would've been at where he is now sooner.

I'm bumping this. Seems like a good thread for speculation and rumors about Fedde with the deadline 4 weeks away. Might be too soon but it can always be bumped again . Will there be a tradewinds section opened up ?

Fedde can bring real talent too. Sox got real talent for some of the guys last deadline you might not have thought would bring it. Heck Aaron Civale just bought in a 20 year old SS hitting .325 . Admittedly I don't know much about the guy but that sounds like real talent.

That remains to be seen also.I feel as if I'm particularly adept at reading the terrain on topics I've paid close attention to. It may be moot if he's traded however... Crochet has repeated in several interviews since the start of the season that he thinks that his arm has responded well to being on a starting pitchers routine. He does not want to be used in a traditional relief pitcher's role. If you consider "being in the bullpen" as only getting work as an opener in order to maintain his routine between starts then yes he will be in the bullpen. So how others interpret what you mean by "being in the bullpen" is debatable. Care to clarify ? I think the only other possibility is long relief but only every 5th or 6th day on a planned schedule. I don't think he'd be open to doing it any other way.Nor do I think the Sox would ask him to to do a traditional relief pitchers type of role. What they have done so far is working great and Crochet agrees and does not feel as if he's being abused. He's doing what he thinks is best for him. You may consider it medical malpractice because they are not erring on the side of caution but everything they are doing with him now is the way Crochet wanted to do it.

Erick Fedde continued his brilliant pitching going 6 innings giving up 1 ER 3 hits ,3 walks and 3 K. Martin Maldonado was the offensive star of the game with a 2 run HR and an RBI single . Robert Jr had 2 hits a double and single. Sosa had 3 hits a double and 2 singles. Pham had 2 hits. Benintendi had a 2 RBI double. BP gave up 1 run on a solo HR in 3 innings.Banks pitched a perfect 1.1 innings and Steven Wilson pitched the 9th giving up 1 hit and no runs. Final Sox 8 Guardians 2.

Or it could just be they are giving him his regular turn in the rotation with no ulterior motive whatsoever. They want him to do well of course because he'll command more in a trade but every start he makes could be his last one . I'm not sure what you think the Sox should be doing. Why don't you give us some wisdom on the matter. I'll try to help you out as much as I can. Not pitch him at all. Limit his pitches to a certain number per start. Go to a 6 man rotation. Send him to the minors. Put him in the BP. Or another choice of you choosing and please explain why this will help his trade value or how much you care about his health. I'm just trying to figure out what you personally want. I don't really expect you to tell me .You're more the snide comment type when you're arguments make no sense and you feel like you're being backed into a corner or stalked.I don't pick you to argue with but when you continually imply things without saying anything I ask for clarity. For some reason you think he's being abused yet time and time again he has said he loves being on a starting pitching regular workload where he can prepare the exact same way between each start. Maybe you just want to be the 1st one in line to say I told you so if he gets hurt or pitches slow down before he's traded.Dazzle me.