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But a team still has to meet the asking price. And if he is traded will you think he had worked out an extension already ?

There are many many Doctors out there who would say he is already beyond the point of reasonable risk factors given his current and previous workloads and that continuing to pitch is likely to result in injury that not only threatens the remaining 2024 season but his whole career.

I thought you understood by now that I don't trust that report . It's not like it came directly from Crochet in a televised or even a written interview quoting him or his agent. Heyman said that's what Crochet told him at the All Star break. He could have misunderstood his meaning. You d think there would followup questions to explore beyond that. It doesn't sound like something you say casually. I need more context.

There are no contractual obligations to pitch beyond reasonable health limits placed on you by physicians which he could easily obtain.

If he wants protection. If I'm the only one who thinks that if his arm is still feeling good the desire for ring may be enough motivation to contribute IF he is able, then so be it. But as I've said we're a long way from that happening. I never thought he'd be traded any way by the deadline when many were sure it was happening. So it's not like this latest report shocked me like it's shocked so many who trusts the those reports are accurate.

I don't know if it will ever reach that point to know for sure.

It'll never get to that point.

Crochet would just say he leaves that up to his agent and reiterate what he's already said. He wants or prefers to stay on his SP routine. They could ask if you are traded and you stay healthy enough to pitch in the playoffs would you do it without an extension? But I'd expect him to say Yes I want to win a ring. Or maybe we'll cross that bridge when I get to it.

I'm not getting into what an extension would look like. We're a long way from finding out the truth. 1st Crochet has to be traded by the deadline. 2nd we have to see how he's handled by his new team. 3rd he has to be still pitching if the team that acquired him makes the playoffs. If he makes it that far then it gets more interesting.

That says "desires" .That a big difference from saying he won't pitch without an extension.

I think I read Heymans account was verified by league sources whatever that means but outside of him saying he'll refuse to pitch in the postseason unless given an extension I don't know how true that would be. To me it's been known for a long time he does not want to pitch in relief so that's not new and could be the part that's been verified. Big media like in NY probably has guys who put out info just for the purpose of manipulating the market to put favorable teams in more advantageous positions. I don't believe much of what insiders put out there , especially Heyman.

Then find another guy to trade for who can close. Kopech's available ?

I'm not assuming all these reports are 100% accurate. However if he thinks his health depends on maintaining his SP schedule maybe he could file a grievance that the team is jeopardizing his health . Are you saying Crochet shouldn't be allowed a voice in how he's used if he thinks he's being put in an unhealthy situation ?

Eh we haven't heard from Crochet of his agent that Crochet won't pitch in the postseason if handled the way he wants to be handled. The Dodgers don't need him to be a closer to win their division most likely. But I do think they could use him as an opener , keep him on his SP schedule and see if that's enough rest for him to use him as a SP who can go at least 5 strong innings as a 2 or 3 in the playoffs without an extension. It's a longshot but it all depends on the way his arm feels. He' d have to be more than an opener his last couple starts of the regular season and see how it goes.

And you called me naive for thinking Crochet had a good chance not to be traded because you thought Nightengale was right. The chances always were always slim Crochet would be traded . You didn't need to be an insider to know that. It was going to be a tall task given the ask and his availability being limited for the rest of the season and the playoffs.

This was known for a long time. It's no surprise. Him wanting to stay on a SP regular schedule isn't new news. Sure the Sox are a terrible organization but Crochet hasn't put up the numbers he has this year all on his own. Katz, Bannister and Crochet worked on new things to allow him to be in the position he's in now. I wouldn't want to f*** that up either now that he found somethings that makes him great.

Whole other situation. I hated how they handled Rodon in 2021. But I was on my own more or less. They used him up . They needed him that season. They wouldn't have made the playoffs if not for him being resigned for a pittance. Most posters thought he was hurt .I kept telling them he was just worn out. And then I bitched that they wore him out since then . And I also advocated giving him the QO to get a draft pick but Sox were afraid to pay him $18M . A lot of posters agreed with the Sox not to give the QO . Imagine that in the middle of the contention window fans were worried about 1 more year for a guy who just pitched you into the playoffs after he just gave you $18M worth for $3M. Let's save Jerry's money for something better ! It worked out great for Rodon financially. Sox spiraled downhill since the 2nd half of 2021 .

He won't refuse to pitch. Hell pitch if he feels good. But he's only likely to feel good if his usage is curtailed in the 2nd half enough to allow him to pitch in the playoffs. It's always been a crapshoot to acquire him and expect much more out of him. It's why I never thought he'd be traded by the deadline. He still may be but it's looking worse day by day. I'll still go with the Dodgers if he is traded.

Humanitarian

And if those wins prevent the Rangers from putting their guys on the trade market it's win win . Or in the Sox case lose win. Less players on trade market = more suitors for Sox players.

IF you believe the reports about him wanting an extension to pitch in the postseason. Yankees or some other team could be putting a narrative out there to make try to make it easier to acquire him. I doubt the Dodgers will be dissuaded. They might be the one team who could limit his use the rest of the season and still win their division and use him in the playoffs.

I think the Sox look like geniuses right now.Katz and Bannister developed Crochet into the pitcher he is now by limiting his sweeper /slider usage to RHB because it was getting hit for HRs and his command wasn't strong with it and worked on the cutter with him and he had much better command of it and was much more effective against RHB . I don't really see anything wrong with a token extension offer. There's no guarantee he'll be the same pitcher in 2027 he is now. He still has a lot to prove. If another team wants to extend him then trade for him, extend him and we'll all get to see how wise it was.

Who's malpracticing ? Don't get it. It just seems like that's the way it is. You either pony up the prospects and you have a choice , try to extend him or wait. Either way you still have 2024 to figure out a way to get him to pitch in the postseason and 2 more years to possibly help you reach the postseason and pitch in it. Dodgers just seem like the team who can make the playoffs without Crochet being a key contributor the rest of the season. Now the question is who might the Sox want from the Dodgers 26 to make the trade ? If the impact on the 26 is minimal I think it'll be the Dodgers. So probably no Gavin Stone or Lux if the Sox had designs on either .

No he's worth what someone is willing to pay him . They can either wait till 2027 when he's a free agent or pay him now . There's no reason to pay him now after you trade for him unless you think a guy with his health record and 65% of 1 season as a SP is reason enough to justify the years and money you are offering.

Even riskier for the new team to give up prospects , give him an extension and then risk it all in one post season. Youre risking your prospect capital , the health of the guy you just gave up prospects for and $100M or so in the extension. We really don't know what Crochet would want in an extension. Anyone dealing with him would be wise to wait. Crochet still has to prove he's healthy and TOR guy for 2 more years. Maybe only the Dodgers would be willing to trade for him now. They might be the only team who keeps him on a starter's schedule, use him as an opener ,then asks him to ramp up for a start or 2 heading into the playoffs. If Crochet is healthy and feeling fine I think he'd pitch in the post season without more money. He's a competitor and would want a shot at a ring.