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While I appreciate you posting the article I d say most posters can only read the introductory paragraphs and not the meat of the article . I would actually appreciate a synopsis of why the organization is more hopeless than previously thought rather than Wilder's motivation for speaking out. Despite our resident mod /Caulfield basher questioning why you'd make a thread about the Sox on a Sox message board which might be actually informative about the inner workings of things some have very little knowledge about which is none of his business any way. You didn't break any rules. Wether you choose to dignify his question with a response you don't have to defend why you choose to be informative when we got threads about imaginary Saudi investors and he isn't questioning @ron883 motive for posting his thread.

The ups and downs of the season. Sox have hit more HRs in June but it hasn't helped their record having early and often times late inning leads because the bullpen, which had been hot during the 11-8 sample in May imploded once they lost Wilson. Vaughn sucked most of the season got hot in June.Dejong hitting bombs in June. Robert bombs away but hardly any other hits in June. Lopez even got hot for a couple of weeks. Sosa has been hitting pretty good in June with some extra base power while Colas seems to just hit singles unfortunately but still doing better than last season so far. You just hope Julks can regain whatever he had and get hot again shortly and the young guys can show more progress this time around.

Yea melting down not quite the way Id describe it. I mean if you call it challenging a falsehood when I see the usual lack of signing DR kids and we didn't actually sign very many as usual Id say I was correct and you're actually verifying my stance by saying the same thing in your post. So no I don't see a difference.

His last 5 or 6 starts he's been more 4 seamer, cutter ,sinker than 4 seamer, slider, sinker and it's working really well and has some advantages for arm health . Sliders are generally considered harder on the elbow or shoulder aren't they ? @ptatc

So Robinson is right back in Charlotte and they called him up in theory but he never left Charlotte except on paper ? And this may just been a contract move to retain him that he probably agreed to ?

Not only that but we e heard reports that the instruction in the minors at least on the pitching side is much more individualized and it's reaping some early benefits. We're also seeing some evidence that Crochet may not be as slider reliant now which might be a part of a plan for arm health . He's now featuring the cutter more which he can command in the strike zone better than a slider and is less likely to hang one , throw a wild pitch or hit a batter. This has been going on ever since he had that hiccup where he got hit harder. Since then he's been phenomenally good.

Oh look at you saying " knowing full well we won't spend in Latin America. " I seem to remember you some disparaging comment during the last Intl. class signing period when once again I mentioned how little they habitually spend in the DR, the country that produces more baseball talent of any Latin America country for the last 50 years. Maybe you thought I was jumping the gun because all the signings had not been tallied yet but many were and as usual few Dominicans . Glad to see you recognize that now.

Chances are slim to none. He's likely traded.

You don't have to trade Eloy. All they have to do is refuse his $16.5M club option for 2025 and he becomes a FA which they most certainly will do.

Eloy will be back and he'll play. But the only reason to play him is to hope he goes on a run and hits 10 HRs before the deadline and some team offers something for a partial salary dump. After the trade deadline you can play him or not if you think he'll help you avoid the worst record in baseball history.

Come on that's ancient history you ignored everything else I said. He's already cost controlled for his remaining years for cheap. The only question is his health. There are zero reasons to make him more of a risk for teams wanting him by extending him.

@Y2Jimmy0 seems to think the Sox can get a top 100 pick +. I tend to agree thinking plenty of teams will be making offers. He pitched plenty of innings last year so going into the post season shouldn't be a concern with him.

Moncada is nothing right now except an expensive sunk cost who will be a free agent after the season. Sosa might be our starting 3rd ,SS or 2nd baseman next year if he can manage to play decent defense at one of those positions maybe 2nd base.

DeJong (solo), Vaughn 2 run, Sosa 3 run and K. Lee 2 run provided 8 of the 9 total runs on the longball in support of Fedde who went 6 innings without his best stuff giving up 8 hits ,2 runs, but no walks and 6 K. Brebbia,Wilson and Banks gave up 0 runs in an inning apiece. 9-2 final score.

Winner winner chicken dinner !

My inner Jason Benetti took over using an old pop culture reference. Old Sara Lee commercial ditty.

Nobody does it like Korey Lee !

He's always been streaky. You just hope that one of his streaks is a breakthrough.

I think it's pretty obvious since he came back he's not running that hard on the bases.

Sosa 3 run Jack !!!

Teams don't base their offers on whether or not they think they can extend a guy. Anyone wanting him will base their offers on risk tolerance. He's not likely to help a team in the playoffs this year which is the likely reason their won't be very many offers. Most teams will pass on him and wait to see how the rest of the season plays out . Can he stay healthy ? They'll already be getting a bargain on his salary which is nothing right now and will continue to be during his Arb. years. If Getz were to extend him now and buy out his Arb years and a FA agent year or 2 he gains no leverage in a trade because he'll be making his ARb years more expensive and guaranteeing even more money for a year or 2 extra. How is that attractive to another team when all a team has to do is come to an agreement with him on his Arb salary next year and the year after which is usually a fairly routine process. Teams would want him during the off season because he stayed healthy the rest of this year and he's a dam good pitcher, inexpensive and should be able to pitch even more innings next year. You're acting like getting a cheap very good pitcher for 2 years is some kind of bad thing for any team contending.

No idea what you're talking about ? There's no reason to extend him if they are going trade him. And if you keep him you are going to limit his workload . If just don't know what form that will take. Don't bug his agent about an extension . There's no reason to rush into it. See how healthy he is the rest of the season. You just don't start throwing $70M at a guy who has never pitched like this in his life just because he appears to be a giant unicorn. That's the very definition of buying high. I prefer another team buying high on him.

It's more the hip injury and constant injuries that hurt his value than anything else. He's always been a slow starter to start the season in much the same way Abreu was. Coming back from the injury was essentially a 2nd start to his season. It's a 64 AB sample size . 12 hits 7 of them HRs. His last 5 hits have all been HRs. He must not want to run the bases . He's not running hard to 1st when he hits ground balls. I'd keep an eye on his baseball savant page and see if his sprint speed drops into the low 80s or even into the 70s the next month or more if he's not traded. I think it will just based on how much effort he may not want to give just yet. He needs to become a corner OF. I suggested that at least a year ago if not more but he started the season in the low 90s ( faster than 90+ % of players) in sprint speed but he just can't push himself to that level without getting hurt now. Not being a CF anymore would hurt his value too so I don't expect to see him in RF any time soon but a team who wants him, who already has a good defensive CF with a decent bat, could switch him.

Either has his fielding though also.

You always have to push ahead to build a team especially when you're a terrible team. Where are the other good players going to come from ? Selfishly Id love to keep Crochet but realistically when you're dealing with often injured players like Robert and Crochet you keep waiting and expecting those injuries to keep them off the field just as they have with Moncada, Eloy and Robert. Sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and strive towards future wins rather than a few moments of titillation watching a few guys doing great with nothing else around them. The Sox aren't going to spend there way back into contention that's for damn sure. Strike for those future wins while the iron is hot.