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Didn't Mazara play in MLB when he was 20 ?

Burke had a couple really good starts. Position players thin but Vargas, Baldwin ,Ramos.

I don't think Sosa qualifies as a debut player.His debut was in 2022. I think that's what the OP meant by debut players. This years new guys.

Of course not.They were spinning their wheels. But I didn't expect it to work with all my heart. I tried to give them the benefit of the doubt but I saw all the flaws that led to the collapse this time because they were the same flaws that plagued the organization for years. No commitment to developing youth , no comittment to DR players internationally, midlevels Free agent signing that were as likely to succeed as fail , just no comittment at all to infrastruture. The best thing our former poster Jack Parkman used to say was "pick a lane" either go the TB route and put more money into hiring quality people to create a good foundation because it's ultimately cheaper to maintain that every year once you get it established or stop trying to pretend you're actually interested in anything but keeping the fans coming in by always dangling the carrot. That argument was always out there as you were putting the same people involved in mired in mediocrity in charge of the rebuild that ultimately expired due to a mediocre effort to win.

If CHSN want more OTA viewership they should just make a deal with some indoor antenna maker buy a bunch of antennas and make house calls to anyone who wants CHSN and charge people $100 to come to their home and show people how to set it up and set it up for them. If they can't get the channel to come in clearly then no charge for the house call. Try to do as many as you can in areas you know should get strong signals. Just have people answer a few prelimary questions 1st about the make and model of their TV. Hire temps who live in different areas to install in those areas. Or you can do it without CHSN buying the antennas as long as people say they have the own antenna . Silly idea I know but it might take some salesmanship to show people it's not all that complex to watch the Bulls, Blackhawks and Sox for free. You create a few temp jobs that get a bonus perhaps for every house they do. It pays off when you have more sponsors buying airtime during games because you have better ratings from the house calls you made. You make sure each of your salesman people / technicians have business cards and spread the word to other fans. Maybe you make a commercial for local TV advertising "Do you want to watch the Bulls, Hawks and Sox on free TV but don't know how ? Call CHSN the new home of Bulls , Blackhawk and White Sox Television and answer some questions about your TV and make an appointment to have one of our reps contact you .

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Wondering how many here didn't know Harry Chappas was a Sox player . Anyway RIP to Harry Chappas.

It was done the other day on a CHGO Sox podcast with Sean Anderson moderating and Herb Lawrence and Vinnie Duber had 15 minutes to get all 63.They came close with hints from Anderson while the clock was winding down .

Ad infinitum. Oh no the process was bad on Mena for Fletcher a trade that no one has actually won yet. Oh yes Burger for Eder was a great process and I will do that trade all day everyday no matter how lopsided it looks against the Sox right now. I like players who don't leave it up to the coaches to try to improve. I'll take a guy like Burger walking around with a tablet in his hand looking for ways to get better himself any day. Ohtani does the same thing. He isn't even in the upper 25% when it comes to sprint speed yet he put his meticulous mind to it and figured out how to steal over 50 bases by studying pitchers and looking for tells on pickoff moves. He slides the same way into a base every time, the right way, feet first directly into the base , foot parallel to the ground, popping up securely and gracefully . Player development starts with the attitude of the player but you better have enough coaches and analytics people who work tirelessly on the same page who can explore multiple ways to achieve a higher level of play offensively, defensively ,on the mound and on the bases. Coaches need to seek out development wins in other organizations and study how it happened. Usually it starts with the players desire to be the best he can be.

Mediority would be a huge step forward.

Any team that gets Crochet will be lucky to have him. He's the type of player the Sox should try to extend. He's taken his career into his own hands and always looking for ways to be better. He realizes you never should stop looking for ways to improve. When others were saying he should be shut down because his 2nd half stared off poorly he was quietly working on a sinker. He wants to be more efficient, throw less pitches, go deeper into games, give up less HRs, get a DP when it's needed. He also loves the plan he and Getz and Bannister devised so much that he didn't want to alter it in any way. Getz might have been perturbed when Crochet said he wanted a contract extention to pitch in the off season but it actually was a testament to how much he liked how well his season had gone to that point .There was no way in hell he wanted to jeopardize his career for one post season. As soon as 2025 he likely gets a chance to pitch in the post season as a better version of himself than he was in 2024 and be well on his way to a 9 figure contract. One more year of proving he can stay healthy and pitch a complete season and he can get it. He could get it before then but he better make sure he gets some opt outs.

We're talking about 2025 . Did you miss that 2024 is over for those teams ?

Yeah sure include Crochet in the deal pick up Mayo and Cowser too and everyone's problems are solved on both sides ! Give me a fucking break.

How low do you think JR actually wants that payroll ? I don't know what it's looking like now with 10D and Robert without Moncada and Eloy but combined Beni and Junior make around $32M . You non tender Vaughn ,Sheets and Lopez, there's around $12M gone Soroka's a FA that's another $3M gone.Clevinger and Flexen are UFA. Everyone else isn't making squat . They have to field a team.If they trade Robert and nontender those I mentioned were looking at like $40M plus anyone they decide to sign for more than $1M. While I wouldn't be shocked to see them ruin a Crochet trade by trying to include Beni, I'm thinking it's right up there with Sox fan paranoia about trading for Salvador Perez last off season. Nothing to worry about until it actually happens. I also wouldn't be shocked to see Crochet pitch again for the Sox. It depends on what the trade offers look like for him. We'll see how some of these playoff teams feel about getting beat and making some serious offers .

My point was if u have Cease and Burnes you possibly win the division and avoid a short series . They didn't lose because their hitting went south.Thats a short term in a short series problem. They lost because they didn't plan properly to build depth in their pitching staff. If they do that they could've won the division. A longer series allows you to overcome temporary hitting woes .There's no doubt the O's were the better team but anyone can win a short series even the Sox with superior pitching and barely enough hitting.

So you think the Sox are going to get fair offers of high end position prospects that aren't 1st basemen or catchers ? Or will they settle for less ?

Cease . That's what that giant thread with all the Orioles fans was for. Sure they got Burnes but maybe getting Cease also gets them a bye like the Yankees got . Crochet wasn't going to help anyone the 2nd half. You're one of many who thought both Robert and Crochet would be traded. Orioles fans finding out how unpredictable young hitting prospects are and that winning the division helps. Hard to get youth to all gel at just the right moments.Yankees get Soto to pair with Judge . Orioles have no big time veteran hitters. Losing Santander's 44 HRs and Burnes now unless new ownership dives into free agency.

Sure that or to buy another parking lot around the UC to develop. The boss says trade him you trade him . Teams lining up to low-ball the Sox just like at the trade deadline. Prospect hoarding , bad season, plus Jerry's desperate for cash = trash offers = either not trading him in the off-season or a trade no one will be happy with.

It's easy actually.JR says I need the $15M Robert's getting in 2025 for something else. Trade him for what you can get for him .Get it done before opening day, just don't give them any money.

All those games should have meant something to the Tigers. Depending on what other teams did and what they did they couldve ended up playing either the Yankees , Orioles or Astros in the wild card round. Maybe it didn't really mean anything to them since they ended up with the Astros

The same people leading the charge because gee whiz I finally realized JR sucks are the same ones who were giddily slurping up the anticipated multiple championship rhetoric of the Hahn and KW led rebuild still in the employ of the same owner . You can't discuss anything now because insults are primary if you are going to carry off a confident air of bravado. Sympathy , empathy and patience are weaknesses. Maybe I don't remember the old Soxtalk you speak of even though I've been here forever. Most here just act as a uni mind unable and unwilling to do anything but carry pitchforks or jump on the bandwagon

Youre right but regardless are you saying Crochet should or could get a 5 yr. 136.5M extension now because Glasnow did at completely different points in their careers Clarify your stance.

Jerry had a ghostwriter. He just put his name on it. An act of contrition isnt his style.

Did Glasnow get that on an extension when he was Arb 2 after his 1st year as a starting pitcher ? No he was a free agent with a track record of quality starting when healthy . Crochet has 2 years before he gets at shot at life changing money or he can take an extention for less but still guaranteed in case those 2 years arent what he hoped for with health and performance . That extension probaly not forthcoming from JR. But if he's on the open market this offseasn Getz has to get better offers than he got at the trade deadline in a market where position player prospect hugging has become the norm. I'm going to say he wont be traded during the offseason . Hoping Phillies, Dodgers, Yankees and Orioles all get bounced from the playoffs and some wild card wins the World Series.

It's the hiring process when it comes to analytics , scouting and coaching that worries me. A GM like Getz has limited knowledge of what makes a good scout or how to build a good analytics program that the coaches can use to teach players. A smart guy understands his limitations and seeks to educate himself on building the infrastructure needed to support the cheap labor that comes from a well oiled farm system. Can Getz be that guy and is JR really on board with it or just stalling so he can put less money into a team that will be sold once he dies ? You need a blend of young coaches into analytics able to use the latest computer tech and older more experienced coaches willing to learn it . You need a baseball, analytics and tech expert who is able to dumb the process down so the players and coaches can use and understand it and demonstrate how helpful it can be. At its best I would imagine it to be a classroom and hands on learning experience (Spanish and English ) with open minded bilingual players and coaches giving the players an education once the coaches at all levels are fully integrated with the analytics people. But it's still not the end all be all. It's just one more option to improve your baseball mind and body and coach you to succeed.