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I guess we're still waiting to know when Clevinger will make a start. I suppose he may get a minor league game or 2 once they feel he's ready. But in the mean time with the off day today maybe they reset the rotation and they're all on normal rest now ?

Because of the off day this thread has yet to be banished to the Sox archives. I do like discussing the game sometimes but its difficult when you're discussing with an angry fan base and just I don't want to be another sheep mindlessly playing follow the leader. I'm not a contrarian or a troll or water carrier. i Just think I see what other fans ignore. It's just too easy to say a guy is a bad manager or bad exectuive when their whole position or station was by being a part of Reinsdorf's Peter Principle.

Right which was what I thought and why I suggested sending Shuster back down after his 1 appearance. But it didnt happen I guess because today's an off day so the BP gets some much needed rest. They did what they could yesterday but if the game went any longer Shaw just would've had to pitch another inning.

Yes it works for him and his heirs and other investors, not so much the team on the field or fans. I'm not too hard on Getz but I do point out mistakes. I think he should have been on top of the Moncada injury and made an executive decision to IL him. Also after Soroka's short stint and Brebbia's injury with Leasure and Kopech having pitched 2 inning April 9th and Shuster having pitched 3 innings April 8th so he also wasn't available ,you had 3 guys who couldn't pitch and a 4th guy in Wilson who gutted out a short inning of work, I'm thinking another pitcher could have been called up as soon as you took Soroka out 2 days ago. Grifol was managing with a short BP.

Grifol not being fired was on Getz and but mostly JR. He's selling guys for cash and keeping tabs on the pennies he's saving when as usual he cant comprehend the big picture. Penny wise pound foolish at least when it comes to creating a competent baseball team but pretty good at bullshitting his way into being solvent. Benintendi is just one of many guys killing the team even more so than the others because he is another slappy , over rated fielder getting paid big bucks.

Of course you care. Don't BS me. You wanted a guy, who has been pitching well ,who has been used a lot lately , to pitch another inning so they had a better chance to win the game. You couldn't tell me how much Wilson had been used lately or that Brebbia was injured or that Kopech and Leasure were unavailable because they each pitched 2 innings yesterday. I didn't see you asking why didn't Garcia or Leone didn't pitch another inning. Why? Because they suck and you wanted to win the game and your rationale was that your crystal ball told you he wouldn't have got hurt.? Did your crystal ball tell you Brebbia was going to get hurt so he also wasn't available for yesterdays game ? Those are some top notch managerial skills. Now you have to resort to saying I'm carrying water for the franchise when all I usually do is point out JR is the one responsible for everything bad that the Sox do. What I'm actually doing is questioning your lack of understanding of the game and you bullshitting me that you didn't want them to win that game yesterday .

It's a matter of perspective. Benintendi is supposed to be one of the best players on the team. Last year he did well hitting leadoff and a lot of people here didn't think he'd move Benintendi down in the lineup. Who wouldn't you complain about batting 5th . They don't really have 3 middle of the order bats. Do you put Lee, a rookie, in a high pressure situation like that .Sheets against a RHP. Most people here wanted him in the minors or DFAd but of course you say it's not a stroke of managerial insight that he made the team or got ABs even before Robert ,Moncada and Eloy got injured and earned his playing time. Give me your lineup right now against RH and LH starting pitching and let's count all the guys hitting poorly you put in positions of importance. Let's hear you keep track of how relief pitchers are used to and who to put into games and when to take out a SP when the team needs him to absorb some innings because your BP has been used up. Hard decisions can't be made just based on what's going on in the game. Fans complain about everything. DeJong didn't score from 3rd with a hard hit ball right at the SS with the infield when apparently there was not a run on contact play on there. Why didn't Wilson pitch another inning ?Why did they not do a suicide squeeze with Benintendi ? Why couldn't you pitch Wilson another inning ?Why did they pitch those bums Garcia and Leone ? Why is Shaw there ? Why did they PH for Lee? Why did he play Moncada when he was injured ? He left Fedde in too long. As a fan you ask why and don't have to justify everything you would have done before the game , who to play and were to bat them in the lineup , when to PH,when to take out the starting pitching based on how much the BP has been used, when to use a PR, when to do a hit and run. When to steal, when to give a take sign , when to give a 3-0 green light ,where to position fielders ,when to make defensive replacements. Even their supposedly top players weren't playing well .Eloy before he got hurt wasn't hitting but he's probably not 100 % either since he did have something wrong at the end of spring training. Robert had one 2 homer game , he looked bad most of the other games but played decent defense. Now you have to rely on Colas, Sosa, Lee , Sheets , Benintendi, Shewmake.Grossman, Pillar, Fletcher, Vaughn . DeJong and Lopez even more .None of these guys except Sheets and Lee who only started getting more playing time once Stassi went down, haven't exactly been setting the world on fire. Brebbia is out. Kopech and Leasure both pitched 2 innings yesterday so they were unavailable also because of Soroka not being able to pitch 4 innings the day before.

Thats what you put on him without knowing anything about him. Players play hurt all the time. Many managers play players who are hurt because they say they want to play. The only thing that makes this situation laughable is that Moncadas injury happened the day after Grifol was honest or stupid enough to say he was injured. Getz could have prevented the injury if he wasn't a rookie GM and hasn't made keeping the tradable assets as healthy as he can a top priority. Grifol could have benched him because he didnt look so good the day before but he probably belonged on the IL and that's an executive decision.

Surprised ? Come on now that can't come as a shock to anyone.

No look at Wilsons record in his 2 MLB seasons so far. 2022, 50 appearances 53 IP 2023 53 appearances 53 IP. By my logic hes a 1 inning pitcher every 3 days. See how simple it is. As far as what happened to Moncada there are higher ups like Getz who are aware of the health of the ballplayers. Getz should have realized that Moncada's health is priority 1 and instructed Grifol not to play him or even better IL him until he was healthy.. Don't you think Grifol asked him if he was good to go and Moncada said yes ? Sometimes a good executive has to take decisions out of the managers and players hands. But again that win mustve been really important to you. f*** that moron Grifol for not wanting his team to stress out all his relief pitchers and deciding to pitch 3 guys who sucked like Garcia and Leone and Shaw, 2 of them who actually got the job done when most here thought they'd fail way before we got to Shaw. Not endangering his health at all ? You got a crystal ball that can tell you when a pitchers health is endangered ? These days that could be any time a pitcher pitches and even more so when you're pitching on consecutive days after pitching every other day. If you cant understand that players get hurt any time and even moreso when you overuse them for the sake of 1 more win in a season where 100 losses is certainly possible, I dont know what to tell you. You obviously don't understand whats going on this season. Only todays loss seems to be important to you because you can predict when a player will get injured. And here I am using stats and and long held baseball team logic when all along you could predict the future. I apologize .

I'm just pointing out the obvious for the baseball stupid who only see what they want to see. Wins are not important this year. Preserving the health of tradable assets is. RPs are tradable assets. What I'm actually saying is Grifol is a better manager than most of Soxtalk who undoubtedly have no idea how often things go right that they forget about things like oh yeah that guys pitched a lot lately. f*** it put him out there another inning and lets get this win because it might mean we the Sox will win 51 instead of 50 games. Wooo !

The point of this season was never to win games. All these arguments because they lost are pointless. The whole point of this season is trading anybody who performs well who isnt injured and still performing well at the trade deadline. Wilson is one of those guys. Moncada was one of those guys. Robert was one of those guys. The Sox are rapidly running out of guys to trade. You saw what the Sox got at the trade deadline last year. It got them a few more guys they hope they can develop which in itself is a risky proposition for this organization but basically the only thing Getz could do given the budget restrictions. You saw them trade Cease before the season because they didnt want to risk getting nothing if he got injured. There's not a lot to understand here unless you actually think a win today was so important. ANd yes the majority of relief pitchers do not pitch that often. Most are 1 inning guys and how long do you think they can be effective or stay healthy pitching every other day or more pitching that much. They aren't conditioned to do that. Its great they got 1 7 pitch inning from the guy . That's about all you can expect from him with his 4th appearance in 6 days and 2 days in a row. There are other pitchers on the roster that have to be used no matter how bad we think they are otherwise you're always pitching shorthanded. The Sox have played in a lot of close games . You cant keep pitching the same guys over and over. It's a long season. There were only 5 relief pitchers in all of baseball who threw over 80 innings in 2023 and the top 2 were at 84.1 . This was Wilson 6th appearance of the year and he has pitched exactly 6 innings so yes he's your typical 1 inning late inning RP.

How many Soxtalkers do you think would've had Sheets in the lineup today ? Without him the Sox aren't even close in this game. That's conveniently forgotten when you blame the manager for shitty players performing like s%*#. At one point in the tie game in the 9th inning the Sox had runners on 1st and 3rd and no outs and the Sox win probability was 80.6 percent. Grossman came up and hit a sharp grounder to SS with the infield in which means the runner cant score yet we had people blaming the runner. He can't go because he likely gets thrown out at home even if its a go on contact play. Then you have guys on 1st and 2nd with 1 out. After that DP the odds went down to 48.7 % and after the 3rd out it went down to 36.6 %. DeJong was on 3rd base at the time. Who put Dejong up to PH that inning and he delivered with a double. Yes it was Grifol. Who had Lopez bunt him over to 3rd which Clase bobbled to put them in the situation for an 80.6 win probability ? Grifol. Who had Sheets going home on the attempted steal of 2nd base by Benintendi who got in a rundown that allowed Sheets to come home ? Grifol has tried to stay out of double plays by using a running game even though the Sox dont have much speed and that's because the Sox have shitty players who hit into a lot of DPs. You can only do so much with the group of guys he has.

Yes of course let's sacrifice our best relief pitcher's health for 1 more win in a 100 loss season the day after Moncada's health was sacrificed . Today was his 4th appearance in 6 days. How do you or anyone else think you know anything about baseball with this hot take ?

Well see. If they get a good offer better early than late on a good performing RP.

Wilson pitched 1.1 innings on April 5th 1.0 April 7th 1.0 April 9 and 1 today. That's 4 appearances in 6 days You don't have your best RP pitching every other day or more in this case. You sacrifice today to perhaps keep Wilson healthy for the trade deadline. The loss or win today means nothing. But please keep giving the meatball takes.

Better that it doesnt . Sox are out of pitchers almost and position players too

Infield was in and it was sharply hit

ai ai ai !

oh that'll work . Now let's go !

Bad 1st pitch call on Colas. Do umps hate Cubans ? I'm almost serious.

Now we need to score late like yesterday. Not too much too ask against the best BP in MLB so far is it ?

decent job of giving up only 1 by Banks

Need a DP