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And if JR passes before 2029 ?

Get over yourself. I've barely posted since tbe offseason started. You go out of your way to make ridiculous unsupported claims about new hires and bad mouth the organization. This is not some grudge I hold against you . This is your grudge against the organization because you put your trust in JR and he let you down. You were the most gung ho for the rebuild claiming at 1 point that the Sox could rebuild and win it all without anything but draft picks. Even when West Eddy says something like saying Colson's floor is Dejong you oppose him by saying his floor is an injured bum . I'm guessing you already know that when talent evaluators talk about floors and ceilings those terms apply to a range of outcomes for an uninjured MLB player. Of course anyone can be injured and have it ruin their career. You argue just to argue even when he makes a fairly benign point. I feel your pain brother. Im sorry JR has broken your heart and your spirit because you put your trust in him and even believing him after it all turned to s%*# and he said Getz was hired to turn things around quickly. So gullible . I didnt think you were born yesterday but apparently you were and now you spend your days trying to get all Sox fans to hang on to the past and not look forward to a new beginning. You'll be back in the fild someday. If not you wouldnt be here thinking youre on some mission to open eyes by spreading falsehoods and conjuring up negative speculation about Sox coaches creating all the Tommy John injuries or why coaching hires got fired from previous jobs as if the Sox are the only team that hires fired coaches. No brother you go out of your way to stir the masses. You're the Mike North now of Soxtalk.

I'm not sure either which is why I said unlikely to sutvive a change in ownership. If Jerry survives longer than 2029 I'm not sure what happens. Is the plan to sell regardless in 2029 even if JR is still alive ? If he passes before 2029 will the sons sell as soon as they can complete the sale asap or wait till 2029 when the stadium lease deal expires ?

Sorry bro never won a World Series

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Calling Getz a Yes man is what got him hired is a gross over simplification unless you can give me examples for things Jerry did the Getz was in favor of. Getz' sin was being a part of an unsuccessful organization and surviving the initial purge and then continuing the purge while fans said he was guilty by association because he couldnt Save Our Sox all by himself. Yes he was an in house and likely cheap hire. But if you speak up to the owner and likely say that KW and Hahn made insular decisions and left you out of decision making processes and that in their position that you would have a more collaborative and communicative process for decision making does that make you a Yes Man or just a guy who rather have seen things done differently ? Under JR' current ownership philosophy of staying out of debt so his sons can sell after his death without incurring large taxes Getz is dealing with a Reinsdorf no other GM of the Sox has ever dealt with before. So yes its a sad state of affairs and a slow climb from the abyss and could stall because prospects will fail and looking for hidden gems among other teams failed prospects and from Rule 5 picks is unlikely to be a winning strategy no matter who you hire as coaches. I just want to see some upwards movement towards .500 before the Ishbia's take over . But without some money you need a lot of draft picks to succeed and even Tampa Bay despite years of doing about as well as they could without much money never won a World Series. I think currently Getz is getting less than Tampa Bay because they get no competitive balance help from the league. It's a no win situation but its not an I give up situation either. Getz and his crew are unlikely to survive when new ownership arrives even if he gets the Sox above .500 at some point. As I said he's in a no win situation. So it's hard for me to scapegoat him . Everything he's doing is on a small scale while the rest of the GMs try to fleece him knowing the Sox are no threat unless they give him prospects who succeed.

As a fan that's all Im implying you do. Look at the resume and try to understand why they were hired. Getz isnt trying to destroy the Sox. He saw good things going on with the Royals pitching staff and the Marlins hitters by some young coaches . They interviewed them, apparently thought they fit into their own collaborate and communicate ideas for a modernized front office and unified advanced coaching. When people blindly knock something for stupid reasons like where he came from that's meatball fandom . Understanding what Getz is trying to accomplish doesnt necessarily mean you like the hire . It also doesnt mean I cry about it either without cause. I can't stop fans from flaunting their ignorance. It's fun to point out though.

How long are you supposed to act like a broken hearted kicked puppy ? I'm just trying to represent a fair shake for what they are trying to accomplish while Jerry is estate planning and has little to no interest in spending anything. I could just as easily say your side is a doomsday cult. There are always different KoolAids to gulp . One is for living and one is for dying . I'd rather not be a part of the Sox Jonestown. The term drinking the KoolAid actually became part of our lexicon to mean blind allegiance to a doomed cause after the Jonestown Incident . Odd to think it applies to having hope or belief that things could be getting better even without much financing or help from ownership. Pity Party On Garths !

its nice to see possible reasons why they would hire someone who could be classfied as an "up and comer" rather than silly emotional tripe about infatuation with the Royals or cheapness. They're doing what they have to do to ID coaches who fit modern , hardworking, problem solving, individualized approaches . This is not one size fits all coaching. It's specialization. Yes we all know its easiest to become hateful and fatalistic whenever they make moves but this place is just a parody of meatballism now. Openmindedness has all but vanished.

Except you made your "prediction" in July or August can't remember which. Most people in that poll made their predictions in March. You had the advantage of watching prospects developing when people in March could only hope for a few to do well and had no idea Shane Smith or Vasil would have decent rookie years.

Oopa !!

2nd lowest revenue and only 6 teams are over $250M payroll. According to your math what does it say about the rest of baseball ?

I dont think you're misreading things at all. There's no JR money involved in this and no JR jurisdiction.

Where are all those great rising players today ? Funny how 1 manager has so much power to turn those risers to rust. Face it the players were not who you thought they were. There is 1 true fall guy for the fall of the franchise and your arrow keep missing the mark.

Or $160M worth of computers. At least Naylor is 1 player. Very few stuck to your ask, 1 player that's your pick for $160M. So many afraid of being wrong they pick invisible things .

Yea not everything is as we wish it to be. But sometimes between naps and synapses failing grandfathers can come up with the odd pearls . Years of devoting your life to baseball means something to people in the game. Mistakes at the end dont invalidates everything else you have to offer . Even Ozzie Guillen is a dinosaur who laughs at all the computer stuff in the game now .

The very definition of baseball and being a rookie. You can't get 3 hits every 10 ABs and 10 HRs every 110 AB. Sometime you'll get more, sometime less. Most hit better at home . All hit better without nagging injuries. Sometimes you get a bunch of fat pitches and sometimes you always seem to fall behind in counts or get ahead. Sometimes you get more walks, more hits more HRs . Sometimes you K more, walk less and you hit line drives that get caught. The fan and player both have to stay even keeled , let things play out, get decent sample sizes, be mindful of injuries.

The next time I see you do any analysis will be the 1st. It's always the short term . To successful people 4 years is nothing. The ground is being lain for the future of the franchise. JR is entirely to blame. Give me your list of what Getz has sucked at since he became GM. Is the team not supposed to suck when the franchise bottomed out ? Could he have prevented the record breaking season. Probably but 121 or 110 losses hardly makes a difference except in how loud the fans cry. Has Getz yet traded away a Tatis, Jr or Marcus Semien right before the last rebuild started ? Getz hasnt even been given enough rope to screw things up. He's not being given any money . So all he can do is make some trades , make some good hires and build the infrastructure. Im not on an island here with my views. It's pretty common among people who do independent Sox podcasts that there are good things happening .I am a very well informed fan about things happening. Now of course I'm listening to Gene Watson and Paul Janish and others who only have belief that they are on the right track being interviewed by Chuck Garfien and others on CHSN. But there are examples all over the field of good things going on. To successful people you need a plan if you start at the bottom and aren't getting any money. Watson talked about how Getz came to him and asked him what he thought of Crochet being a starting pitcher . Have you ever even considered that Getz and the people he hired had anything to do with Crochet becoming a Starter, their plan to get him to the top of his game, keep him healthy and then to ultimately make a quality trade ? That was something no fan could've ever predicted happening . How about how the Sox hiree like Fuller and the R&D department not only got Colson refocused on his process and confidence and then as a finishing touch shortly after he was promoted recommended the torpedo bat. What about the huge success in the Rule 5 draft with Shane Smith and Vasil ? Isn't that another example of better scouting and development ? Didn't Vargas and Sosa becoming league average players when they both vouldve continued on their failure projectories mean things are working ? How about putting the rest of the rookies in a nurturing yet accountable and supportive environment to enable them to be productive ? Was that not a good thing happening as an organization? What about Birmingham's 2 straight AA championships ? Is that not a tangible thing that shows they can develop winning players and attitudes ? It's so easy to be cynical when youre surrounded by it. But as executives, and coaches you all want to be pulling on the same rope as far as developing a winning mindset.

Exactly . Plus the OP said player. Why does anyone bothers putting parameters when people ignore them ?

Power hitter are K machines.No way of getting around it unless you're Judge . Plus the stipulation was $160M by the OP just for 2026. That likely leaves out Tucker. Might leave out Alonso too even though hes 31 so that's iffy. Schwarber is too old. It's also extreme overkill for anything not player related. It'll be interesting to see what Murakami signs for. I picked him because it would signify a big change in White Sox philosophy . Would likely be their biggest contract ever, getting back in the Japanese market, his youth, power lefthandedness ,and OBP are all areas the Sox should continue to emphasize. Stick him at 1st base and a 3-4 of him and Colson against RHP could be deadly for years. If you want to play in the deep end of the pool you just have to dive in. Every player has things you worry about . That might also mean you get a bargain on a very young FA. Does Alonso at 31 get a bigger contract than the 25 yr old Murakami ?

Im not the one crying about how pitiful the Sox are , that's on you. You don't need tissues when you're hopeful, you need them when you cry poor me the Sox still suck with a multi-billionaire family owners on the horizon.

.500 with those 2 , no sophomore slumps + full seasons from the 2025 rookies, a BP with more depth and maybe you avoid the dreaded April records we've seen and a better record in our own division and in 1 run games .

Of course once again we see a nothing the Sox ever do is good enough answers. I dont know what we got but I'm sure it isn't good enough. I'm not happy whatever they did to unlock Colson and find Shane Smith have 8 rookies perform at decent levels. Let's downplay how huge these things were in scouting and development and demand they spend $160M on computers , software and more people which ,by the way, wouldnt even come close to being $160M . So lazy and unimaginative. Compare what Colson did in his rookie year to Tatis, Jr. Very very similar . Next year it could be Hagen Smith Schultz, Bonemer ,Antonacci, Teel or Quero, Baldwin, Sosa, Vargas , Shane Smith or even Burke emerging as All Star caliber players .There's more development left. Let's make sure the upcoming draft is the has been well scouted and they stick with the the current strategy of getting non prima donna types who love baseball. How bout this. Stick your nose back into the Japanese market and make a play for Munetaka Murakami. He's only 25 and has big power and a high walk rate. He plays 3rd and 1st base. The Cubs seem to be able to get Japanese players so the Sox can too. Need to start evolving things on the player acquistion side of things. The faster the team gets into acting like a big market team on the player acquistion side of things the better. It's the easiest way to win the division most years. You don't need overkill in an area that generally doesn't cost tens of millions of dollars . You just have to maintain and update yearly and get the things like Trajekt machines and modern tech into the affiliates. The Sox are probably still behind the curve but since JR went into estate planning mode Getz has managed put some money into modernizing and R & D . The new facility in the DR that was announced in August 2025 will cost $12M and be finished in the fall 2026 .I'm sure getting everything up to speed the 1st few years would be the most costly but just $10M annually would go pretty far . OK fantasy play time is over but in a few years once the Ishbia's are the new owners this could be a reality .

Still a lot of hurt feelings among those giving out F's. Biggest reason it's an F is 102 losses and failure to heed the "forget 2024" caveat.The OP said asking for that was a fools errand. The last rebuilt was built around everyone calling it a rebuild and most were in favor of it so they accepted the losses and growing pains . Hahn actually spent too much on the 25 man roster during the rebuild and the Sox competed well enough to never get a top 1 or 2 pick like the Astros did a couple of times. Hahn had a lot of years to build infrastructure but if he did he never got any results. Nothing from the DR accept a guy he got fleeced on. As a matter of fact Hahn sabotaged his own rebuild. Look at the WAR produced by both Tatis Jr. and Marcus Semien between 2019-2021 which turned out to be the years the Sox needed them most. 2021 especially when they both put up monster WAR totals. It sucks it all fell apart so quickly.It also sucks JR is currently planning the team to be sold and making sure his heirs aren't stuck with a lot of debt or taxes. But we wanted him to sell an we're lucky the Ishbias are very wealthy and some of you now crying will get to see a new owner who likely will try to make the Sox into a team Chicago deserves. The arrow is pointing up if you have the patience to wait for the calvary to arrive. Maybe by the time the Ishbias take over the team will be hovering somehere around .500 or better. The farm system could be back in the top 10 after the next draft. But it'll probably be a lean few years but the new DR Academy is due to open in 2026 and some of you may be around in 10 years to see Braston Basker play in a White Sox uniform and recall that we 1st heard of him in 2025 . That's already a future $6M spent out of Isbias 2030 pocket !

Seriously who and what are can't miss guys ? Even can't miss guys miss all the time. How many can't miss prospects are there right now ? Can you name 12 or so who haven't progressed beyond A ball yet ? Surely it must be easy to name 12 can't missers among so many not yet beyond A ball .