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Initials costs to beef up scouting and player development would be more expensive but the continuing cost once everything is in place would be less. Yes personnel will need annual COLA but computer , biomechanical and other machines and facilities would only need periodical changes when they become outdated every 5 yrs or so. In every system there is personnel to do grunt work which goes to interns but there are intelligent people graduating with degrees in these areas too with a passion for sports sciences. You'd need a good headhunter and competitive wage scale with good benefits. I don't know how it works as far as number of year round full time employees there are but Tampa Bay has been doing it for years and always does pretty well. I'm pretty sure JR could make it work and would have more money to spend then the Rays ownership does The Rays have never won a World Series yet. But if the Sox could emulate TB success in the toughest division in baseball with top spending teams like the Yankees and Red Sox , surely it can be done against teams in the Central who don't spend top money. Cleveland is already trying to become the TB of the AL Central. They're winning and have a top farm system.

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Check ebay. The one I have is the 2005 World Series Collector's Edition. 7 DVDs. Game 3 of the ALDS. Game 5 of the ALCS. Games 1,2, 3 & 4 of the World Series. And a Bonus DVD I also have a couple of Commemorative 5 pin sets. Ones a Limited Edition . # 1245 of 2005. The other one is # 3394 of 5000 which I like more. The pins are bigger and more colorful.

I love this post.

Lots of good players playing good and having either one of their best or career years. No HOF players except Frank Thomas who only played in 34 games and none in the post season. Without knowing the percentages I think the majority of World Series winners had at least one HOF playing in the World Series especially before playoffs were introduced. Can only find teams without a HOF at all and since Frank was a HOF the Sox don't qualify as a team without a HOF player . The 1988 Dodgers had Don Sutton starting 16 games but he retired mid season so he didn't play in the World Series. Our friends the 2015 Royals don't have a HOF player yet and probably won't. There are more most notably after the playoffs added wild card teams. The Giant of 2010/12/14 stand out but Madison Bumgarner was a post season God and Buster Posey has a shot at the Hall starting in 2027.

The fun games are tomorrow. Hagen Smith making his High A debut with the Dash. He's expected to go just 3 innings. Schultz pitching also.

Must have hit a nerve. If you love something and I assume we all love the Sox since we all continue to post here we should know we have no influence over what happens to the team. I focus on the bad many times. I just focus it where I think it belongs which is JR. But I can also, since I love the Sox, see some good things and am only reminding people that it's not ALL bad . There are reasons why most of you don't post in the Future Sox section of this board. They discourage the toxicity of Pale Hose talk there . They purposefully try to keep people letting the prospect route take it's course through it's ups and downs without scathing criticism.

Pretty doubtful anyone offered top 100 guys or even if they did the rest of the offer fell short. We've heard the Dodgers wouldn't even offer Rushing for Crochet. During the recent draft I was really torn between wanting Cags but thinking they might take Smith. I posted that the Sox might not get any true high level prospect offers except for perhaps pitchers, catchers and 1st base types. This line of thought held true when the rest of the contenders decided to follow Baltimore's lead and cling to their best prospects. I think they passed on Cags thinking they could get a left handed power 1st base bat in trades for Robert and Crochet if it came to that . But prioritizing 1st base in the draft probably wasn't their goal especially knowing Bannister may be the best hire they've had in years. Turns out no one offered enough to snag Robert or Crochet and the Fedde, Kopech ,Pham trade was just asinine . 3 guys who instantly got put in important roles for the Dodgers and Cards plus Edman now playing CF for the Dodgers equals both teams getting 2 MLB pieces each with Fedde, Kopech and Edman each having an extra year of control and somehow the Cards gave the Sox nothing.

It is not 2005 any more. 2005 only reinforced JRs thinking that some moves that turned into gold is possible when in reality it couldn't be sustained even the very next year.

I never said both can't be true but replacing Getz with someone else equally not suited for the job doesn't accomplish anything . And you know that's what would happen.

I know it was an odd time for a game mid week but you can't deny that winning game threads are shorter than losing ones most of the time. Praise doesn't come easy to people especially when it's so much easier to just go with the flow.

Sees short game thread. Knows Sox won instantly. Not a single mention of Crochet.

@WhiteSox2023 Read it learn it. https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/jerry-reinsdorf-keeps-failing-the-white-sox-forty-years-of-ownership-and-almost-nothing-to-show-for-it/

I never said Getz was any good at his job. Fire him, fine another Reinsdorf lackey takes over. You're not exactly offering any solutions. It's telling that teams weren't offering higher ranked prospects. It's like they all decided we'll take our chances at winning a Championship with what we have already or just improving our depth. When you're forced to operate on the fringes you're not going to hit a bunch of HRs trading for unwanted prospects while giving up your own unwanted prospects. He's just been shuffling the pieces on the checkers board. I don't think he's caused a lot of damage because he was never allowed to do much. I thought the Fedde,Pham, Kopech trade was bad too. I mean ok keep going on and on about the pawns I guess while the King is still on the throne. My narrative is always about the big picture. Reinsdorf is just deflecting attention away from himself because most fans are going to do just what he thinks they will do and concentrate their ire on the players, manager and GM. It's really amazing that as Sox fans we can't point to any part of the organization that has done anything well consistently during JRs reign. The only thing most people point to is Bannister and a couple handfuls worth of promising pitching depth which has bumped our farm system to 3rd according to Fangraphs ,11th by MLB Pipeline . It's going to be a long bumpy ride likes it's always been when the only thing JR has put any money into is the 25/26 man payroll without the infrastructure to create sound decision making. Now he won't even be doing that either.

Kind of a strange statement for a 1st year GM who endured a $55M payroll slash from a notoriously frugal , meddling, no interest in building an infrastructure, unwilling to sell so his heirs aren't hit with higher taxes upon his death, who thinks the Sox are unable to compete at their current location owner who's been doing the same s%*# for his entire tenure of 40+ years .

So much for that😂

Not expecting a 1 run lead to hold up but I'd like to see it last this inning at least.

Cannon doing Cannon things. He's got a real good idea how to pitch.

Yes you probable need to not dumpster dive to achieve some more quality defensive players who actually can provide any hitting skills too. He wasn't going to accomplish much anyway you sliced it this year

Simple fixes are the best things to try 1st.

Typical Sox runners in scoring position with no outs nets nothing. One of the many reasons they suck.

It was just a formality that's been around since winter. And anyone with eyes saw it coming.

What your definition of competitive ? I think they could put together a pretty good group of young starting pitchers between Cannon, Bush, Thorpe, Schultz, Smith, Martin, Iriarte, Mason Adams and Grant Taylor. That's 10 guys who could form a decent starting pitching and BP core. There of course will be injuries and disappointments like with any groups of prospects but If I squint I can see .500 in 2 or 3 years just because good pitching can get you there faster. The Sox can't hit, field or relief pitch . That worst in history record could still have been around 100 losses instead of 120 with just a tiny bit more hitting and less late innings disasters. The thing is though it'll take a miracle because there aren't a lot of sharp tools in the shed and JR makes sure of that because he'd rather win his way than just risk financial ruin for his heirs now .

I think some some of these guys are lab rats ,like you hear how Davis Martin picked up that change up quickly. It's not usually that fast and easy to make changes that could change the projectory of your career. Bannister is like Dr Frankenstein.

Extremely succinct and to the point ! 👍