jackie hayes

What's there to say, except, HELL YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :fthecubs :fthecubs :fthecubs :fthecubs :fthecubs :fthecubs Over too soon to find the requisite celebration? And only for the Cubs: Eat s***!

Why is PHT less fun than before? Exhibit #1. Using a post from a completely separate message board to go fishing for people to disagree w/, just to exult. Why the f didn't you just discuss it where you found it? I thought it was a bad trade and I still think so. And you say nothing that I haven't heard a million times already this year about Pods and Carlos. Consequently, gee, I think I still have the same position, Carlos>>>>>>>Pods. Noone's going to convince anyone at this point. Had I made a thread titled 'You dumbasses who wanted Carlos traded', then maybe this rant would make some sense. I'm terribly sorry there are people in the world who disagree w/ you, but there it is, get comfortable w/ it. Why does this piss me off so much? B/c this trade happened over 6 f'n months ago, and people are still bringing it up out of nowhere just to pitch into others who disagree w/ them. So if I post any criticism here, someone's going to lord it over me unless the worst case scenario happens? Baseball being uncertain, why the f would I post anything then? I'm a Sox fan, and I've rooted for Podsednik every ab he's had in a Sox uniform. But it's getting to be a lot more fun doing that away from Soxtalk, where I can just pull for the Sox w/o someone insinuating that believing Carlos is a very good player, better than Pods, is some act of treason. Most posters that I can think of who were critical of the trade have dropped it. Why can't you? So there's my answer rant. I don't want any war of words, so I'm done w/ the thread. Fire away at my dumb ass.

I actually think Starks is pretty good, probably my favorite ESPN guy now that Sickels is gone. Everyone's welcome to their opinion, and I know I'm not the only Sox fan that disagrees w/ extending Ozzie so soon.

I may have missed the earlier, more souse-happy hi8is, but I don't think you've lost your touch one bit, man. Some funny stuff here.

It's still the Royals, vote win! Vote win!

You were so bullied into this by 56789. Power to the people!

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Jun 21, 2005 -> 01:54 AM) I think he's having the Kerry Wood problem. Tries to K everyone and doesn't know you could just get the simple groundball. He's not a gb pitcher, though, from what I've heard. If that's true, it's not something that you can just change.

I think you underrate their rotation, but that's jmho. On Westbrook, last year is better than before, but it was also his first full yr as a starter. That could be just a case of a young pitcher improving. (We have Cotts, we better hope that kind of thing is possible.) I think their offense is better than mediocre, too. Honestly, I believe Boone will recover his stroke, and Hafner and Sizemore are excellent hitters, while Martinez and Crisp are good, and Peralta and Belliard are solid. I don't believe that core will fail to produce less than league average. Overall, I think anywhere from 80-90 wins is very possible, and low-90s is difficult, but not implausible. Agree to disagree?

QUOTE(robinventura23 @ Jun 20, 2005 -> 11:08 PM) Probably. Rowand should definitely be higher than him. Arguable. But Kevin Mench and Grady Sizemore should indisputably be higher. And Jacque Jones. And Christ, even DeJesus. And... Point is, even w/ this recent push, Dye's been just above adequate. Nowhere near the 15th best ofer in the AL. Although there ARE some above him that should fall even lower (Finley, for one).

QUOTE(robinventura23 @ Jun 20, 2005 -> 10:56 PM) Fixed. You will now see that Jermaine is buried at #15. Although, with a little luck he could pass us Hidalgo. In other words, much higher than he ought to be.

Tex deserves the 1b nod, but the 1st half mvp is Miggy Tejada. Rogers also has a chance to start for the AL. The Sox don't have any position player that deserves to start. So we'll just have some backups in the game. Which is great news -- more rest for us.

QUOTE(chi-guy2 @ Jun 20, 2005 -> 10:12 PM) whats the record in the sox organization for most wins by a relief pitcher, cant say i saw anything in this topic yet That's a good question, and damned if I can find the answer. Oddly enough, the Rockies have that record posted on the official site (under "Team History"), while the Sox don't. Perhaps because game records for earlier years is often incomplete? Which is my longish way of posting nothing useful.

QUOTE(ZoomSlowik @ Jun 20, 2005 -> 09:42 PM) I really don't think they are capable of getting 90 wins... ...whereas I think this is about the best the Indians are going to do... If this pace is the best they can do, then the best they can do is between 89 and 90 wins. (Which is also higher than the 85-at-best mark you posted earlier.) You're really so sure about the upper limit of the Indians that you are certain that that ONE in-between win is impossible?

QUOTE(ZoomSlowik @ Jun 20, 2005 -> 09:20 PM) That "solid lineup" is hitting .250, and their team leader has only 9 homers. The only guy performing under his level is Martinez (and I'm making that conclusion based on that one great season last year). As for the rotation, Westbrook's ERA is over 4.50, which is pre-2005 Garland, Elarton is worse, and Millwood is not going to be this good all year. Honestly, I've never seen a group get so worried about a team that's going to finish with about 85 wins, tops. Don't even get me started on Detroit. We can play .500 the rest of the way and finish with over 90 wins. Chill out. Start worrying about who's creeping up in August or September when it matters. Trust me, the Indians won't be there by then. If I'm drastically wrong, I'll worry about it then. Given the Sox schedule from here to the break compared to Cleveland's, I'd be surprised if they are still within ten games. Plenty of teams go on streaks at some point or another, and the Tribe hit theirs against some teams they should beat. But after playing Baltimore, New York, Boston, and Texas, they should be back to a non-factor. Blake is also underperforming, despite the hrs he's been abysmal. Boone and Hernandez are underperforming -- though I don't know if they'll ever come out of it, especially Hernandez, Boone's been kicking ass every which way lately. Martinez hit for avg throughout the minors as well, he'll pick up. Elarton sucks, we can agree on that. He'll probably get even worse. But Westbrook's underperforming, Millwood's overperforming, we just have to see how those 2 balance out from here. I think there's at least some risk that Millwood could have one of his occasional tremendous seasons. And they can of course improve through trades, just like we can. Only the jump from Hernandez to...well, whatever, is probably greater than what we'd see from jettisoning our worst reserve. (Who could that be?...) 85 wins tops is pretty harsh, imo. You're saying the very best they could do, if things break right for them the rest of the way, is .500 ball? I doubt that.

QUOTE(CubKilla @ Jun 20, 2005 -> 04:58 PM) Make sure you bring that pitch you threw to Jeter to The Cell this weekend. QUOTE(KevHead0881 @ Jun 20, 2005 -> 05:12 PM) How bout, "Joe, thank you for your donation to the Prostate Cancer Fund." He may even take it as a positive spin to giving up the grand slam to Jeter. The 2 best ones, imo. I laughed at each one, and they're both just good fun.

I'm not "worrying" about it, I just think this is the same sort of thing that becomes ugly after losses. 'Everyone else sucks, except maybe the Twins. 8 game lead, that's such a huge cushion, this thing's basically sewn up.' No wonder people get peeved after a loss, if they think that even Cleveland is a complete fluff team. Cleveland's good, they will compete the rest of the way. I don't believe they'll catch up, but there's a long time and a lot of uncertainty to resolve between now and the end of the year. I'll be just surprised if they do, not laid low w/ shock.

QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Jun 20, 2005 -> 09:01 PM) Who cares? Do you people honestly let some famous person's fleeting affiliation with a team affect your love of the White Sox? Depends. If I happened by some freak occurence to be speaking to said famous person, and said famous person was named Natalie Portman, you're damn right it would. At least until I got home. Okay, okay, until 15 minutes after I got home.

It is WAY too early for this lead to be considered safe. So many people here are dismissing Cleveland as if they were the Royals. They have pitching -- Sabathia, Westbrook, and Millwood are all good pitchers, imo. Lee -- I don't know anymore. But they're not hitting him yet. Okay, Elarton's weak. But overall, that's a quality rotation. They have Wickman, Rhodes, and Riske on cruise control in the pen. And the lineup is very, very solid. Hafner, Broussard, Sizemore, Gerut, and of course Coco are all solid hitters, at least. Peralta's hitting fairly well. Martinez WILL wake up one of these days, too. Jose Hernandez will always suck, but overall, that's a potent lineup. They're on a hot streak, but that's a strong group of players nonetheless. Meanwhile, don't think that the Sox are invincible. The pitchers we've got, how many have we seen melt down before? The hitting has only picked up in, what, the last few weeks or so? Even that? Everyone except for KC is a threat, a real threat. Even Detroit. (And believe me, I was as dismissive of Detroit as anyone before the season started, so I say that through clenched teeth.) All I'm saying is, have some perspective -- there is still a LOT of baseball left this year.

QUOTE(robinventura23 @ Jun 20, 2005 -> 06:52 PM) That probably because of all his blown saves. QUOTE(tonyho7476 @ Jun 20, 2005 -> 06:54 PM) You don't want closers to have wins...or losses... QUOTE(redandwhite @ Jun 20, 2005 -> 07:30 PM) wins as a closer is not much to proud of. More than likely, if you are the closer and you have 11 wins, its because of how piss poor you pitched in blowing a save, and then finishing out the inning and having the offense pick up for your misfortune. QUOTE(nvxplorer @ Jun 20, 2005 -> 08:21 PM) Having wins as a closer is bad. Hey guys! I just had this interesting, original idea. Maybe it's not great for closers to have a bunch of wins. Maybe it just means they blew too many saves. Whaddya guys think, is that a good idea? Huh? Huh?

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jun 20, 2005 -> 03:05 PM) Big, big difference between being tired and being injured. From the pitcher's perspective? I'm tired, but I can get this guy. It hurts a bit, but I can still throw all my pitches. Seems like the same attitude to me. Especially when one of Duque's most prominent injuries was tired shoulder. It sounds like he admitted that he had some discomfort, but he told the coaches that he could tough it out, it wasn't bad. I imagine he was telling himself the same thing. There's a difference between that, and simply lying to your manager.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jun 20, 2005 -> 02:39 PM) I disagree fully. The whole team is built on trusting each other. If Hernandez isn't being honest with the team, we might be giving away games, that we could be winning. That isn't going to sit well with him teammates. This isn't about Hernandez being hurt, its about him lying to his manager and GM. Like when Ozzie visits the mound and the pitcher tells him, 'yeah, skip, I'm feeling pretty tired, I think you should pull me now'? Isn't this what pitchers do? They say, oh, it's a little tight, but it's not too bad, I can pitch through it. They lie to themselves more than to the manager. That's why you have to rely on your coaches so much to detect those mechanical flaws that come with health problems, and why you never leave someone in b/c of anything he says. Duque's getting his $8 mil no matter what, and in all likelihood it's the last money he's gonna get as a pitcher. He was hurting somewhat, nobody knows how much, but he still thought he could contribute. I'm not gonna blame someone who wants to play hurt, especially when he's got nothing to gain from it personally.

QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Jun 20, 2005 -> 03:40 AM) It's good to see someone still trying to protect the confidentiality of their sources, even though they know full well that they are going to be scrutinized every which way for it these days. It would be a whole lot easier to expose the source but that's not ethical for the journalist to do. So are you just assuming that it's all legitimate, or do you know that protecting sources is all he's trying to do? And if the latter, how do you know that? We've seen journalists lie more than once recently. I don't suspect that most journalists do it, but truthfully, I am a LOT more sceptical now about any report involving unattributed quotes, leaked docs, etc. (Even -- especially? -- those produced by our own administration. :headshake ) I would think the reporters would welcome the scrutiny so that their stories might still have an impact on policy.

As great as Roberts has been, I still wonder how long this can hold up. As for Castillo, he's having a career yr so far. Much better power (if ever in this era there's been a guy more dedicated to the art of the single...), more hits, and he just doesn't strike out. Which says to me, he's going to revert to form a bit (not completely, perhaps -- he should be in the prime of his career, after all). For a season, I guess I'd take Kent. Although, I've been a Vidro fan too. But I think Utley's the choice long term. It's hard to turn your back on power like that -- especially at a position where you don't find much. And a lhb, who gets on base... It's not a strange choice at all.

The important thing is that neither Willie's bad play nor Ozuna's nearly-insufficient-to-get-back-to-2nd hustle did cost us the game. At least, that should be the important thing.

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