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I guess Alexei is out there defensively, so it must have been a cramp. Hooray

Bulls fans are very bored. We are better constructed to beat the Heat than any team in basketball. We'll see if it works. It didn't once, with less shooting and experience, two years ago. Maybe two tries will be the charm.

I think we are way, way overvaluing Chris in this thread. He's not Jesus Christ

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 11, 2013 -> 01:30 PM) I think that's GM speak. They've already set their sights on realistic returns for these players. Right, "steep" just refers to a comparison of asking price compared to expected price

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 11, 2013 -> 01:27 PM) Stunning news...not Your 2013 White Sox

Alexei came up lame there, grabbing hamstring. Unclear if a pull or a cramp. Looked more like a pull to me, but what do I know

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 11, 2013 -> 12:54 PM) The longer the team feels until it will be competitive, the less sense it is to not at least listen to offers for Sale. Hahn isn't stupid. If he's not even listening about Sale or at least trying to gauge what a team would give up to get him, he isn't thinking long term re-build. Stranger things have happened. The 1976 White Sox couldn't hit. 1977 they became the hitmen. As long as the Sox have starting pitching, it makes no sense going into a lengthy rebuild. Hitters will be available. Agree. You rebuild when your whole team is bad, not when half of it is bad

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 11, 2013 -> 11:42 AM) I'll absolutely watch this documentary. And for those keeping score at home, Steve detests Hawk as a broadcaster.

The reason it's on the floor IS to inconvenience you. You have to actively think about what it means every day because it's there.

You could hear the excitement in the scout's voice on that video. Pretty neat. I'm sure he'll be a major leaguer soon - might he be considered a Marco Paddy player as he came out of Toronto? Not international, though

I just can't imagine a team with Carmelo on it being a great team. He wins games on his own, but he tends to minimize his supporting cast more than anything else.

Defense was caught TOTALLY off guard by the 3rd degree inclusion. I'm not sure if it will stick, but that just reeks of brilliance on the part of the prosecution. It makes me think of the bureaucracy episode of Futurama: "you are technically correct, which is the best kind of correct"

Don't misread our rankings for a dislike of Johnson - I'd say all of the voters are very enthusiastic and excited about Micah. There are just some giant caveats to his rise. The things I think about: -Stolen bases: great. He does not have elite speed, though. He will not steal 70 bases in the MLB. He is a good base stealer and he should remain a threat, but there are probably several guys in the system that are faster than him. This tool will necessarily be overrated. He's not Billy Hamilton and people like Jim Callis are emphatic about this. -Errors. We all know about this. He might be a left fielder. -Age. This has been touched on as well. He's a bit old for the levels he is playing in. However, this is why he's been moving up. You may see him in AA at some point, though I'm unsure of how they can make a spot for him. On the negative side. So you see a guy whose floor is pretty damn low. He might be a poor hitting left fielder whose speed is overrated. He could end up being a poor man's AAA Scott Podsednik. He might be a young Chone Figgins. Time will tell.

Carmelo + Thibodeau = ?

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 10, 2013 -> 10:39 PM) Of the 4 guys you mentioned, I don't think any of them have a truly high ceiling. I'm not a huge fan of Wacha. Well, we can put Carlos Martinez or Trevor Rosenthal in there if you prefer. I agree that Wong doesn't have a high ceiling, but is a pretty sure bet to be a rather productive player. I think Adams has a pretty high ceiling, at least from a pure offensive standpoint. Piscotty needs to grow into his power potential to realize his true ceiling.

Trayce has rallied from poor play enough times that I'm not sure what he would have to do for me to rule him out as a prospect

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 10, 2013 -> 08:56 PM) He's got to get it going, as he's now 1 for his last 24. He and Trayce are on the wrong drugs right now

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 10, 2013 -> 10:25 PM) No way do you make a trade with the Cards without getting Taveras in return. Would never make sense for them. He's the one guy they NEED on their big league team next year. Everyone else is fair game and there is plenty of talent in the "everyone else" group swing a deal.

They said on the radio that they told him to get the f*** off the logo and he was apologetic. I just don't see the reason to give this butthole the star treatment. He has no connection to Chicago.

If Thibs really loves Lu, so you defer to his judgment?

I would trade Sale for Matt Adams, Kolten Wong, Michael Wacha, and Stephen Piscotty. We get three guys you can pretty much plug right in, they get an ace without really shaking up the big league club's plans. Our pitching will still be great and Wacha can walk right in and be a potential ace as well.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 10, 2013 -> 03:45 PM) Starters are more valuable than bullpen pitchers. But the key issue isn't really if pen-Axe plus starter-Santiago is more effective than starter-Axe plus pen-Santiago. The issue is that Santiago is the pitcher who has a real career in front of him. He's a good starter. he needs to be developed. I don't care if Axe sucks in the pen. Winning games this year isn't important. I like Axe, but he's 5th starter fodder. There's nothing to develop. Santiago in rotation and Axe in pen or Axe in AAA or Axe in Tokyo is still better than Axe in rotation and Santiago in pen. Santiago has always struggled to find consistency in the pen, has admitted that he had to quit throwing his screwball entirely because he can't find his release on it in a bullpen warmup, and he can't get lefties out. It should have been a no-brainer from the get-go

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/chicago...vailable-071013 More at link

I'm starting to hate Puig so much that I will actively avoid the innings he would play in the A-S game

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 10, 2013 -> 03:35 PM) Who the f*** cares that Bieber was near the Cup. #BecauseItsTheCup