nitetrain8601

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 12:13 PM) That's what I get for having relatives who live on the east coast. We were playing the Phillies that weekend where one of the games was rained out and another was an absolute shootout where Thome destroyed us. Force them to move to the Southside of Chicago.

QUOTE(qwerty @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 12:09 PM) In this case i most definitely think it is different. Any team that trades for him knows in advance he wants to test the market next off-season. I cannot see any team wanting half a season of a guy over a full especially if they were in need of major league pitching. Also, it is way to risky for the sox to wait until the dead line because garland is far from a lock to repeat his numbers of last year. His stock is at an all time high with the white sox as far as i am concerned. I disagree. I think any team that's in contention that needs a SP will go after him. Look at us and Freddy. Reed was considered a top prospect, Olivo a nice catcher, and Morse a throw-in. On paper at the time, it was a great deal for Seattle. Cubs did it with Nomar knowing he was a FA at the end of the season.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 12:05 PM) Ya, I edited my response. He didn't contribute much at all in 04 but he was supposed to be their starting shortstop and I was actually at Fenway for his first game back and there was such a buzz there and he was going to help lead them to a title, yada yada. So you're willing to go to a Red Sox game at Fenway instead of spending that cash at U.S. Cellular Field?? Some type of White Sox fan you are. BANDWAGON JUMPER!!!

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 11:46 AM) See the Mulder deal of last year and the Vazquez deal of this past week. You can still get a good return on a quality starting pitcher before the season begins. But you could rip off teams at the deadline. You usually only get best value in the offseason for prospects. If you have a legit Major leaguer, you're better off trying to trade him at the deadline because you would get a lot better prospects who probably aren't worth it in the deal. (E.G. Farnsworth to ATL deal, Villone to FLA deal). You also trade him at the deadline because you see you may have a glaring hole in the bullpen or somewhere else and you could always plug in McCarthy in the 5th slot.

He was going crazy last night. 30 points in the 3rd. I would've continued to let him play.

QUOTE(Jenks Heat @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 11:44 AM) What is Brad Penny's situation? I do not follow the NL and thought he was up and down and injury prone to a degree but what is the money situation, could he go to the pen? I think Garland will be dealt and signed by that team as part of a blockbuster deal. The team that trades for him will not do so as a one year stopgap. Remember if he is traded and not resigned, they get two first round picks most likely. Penny will start. They still are 1 starter short.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 11:25 AM) That would be scary. Check out his control. http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/B/d...brazelton.shtml 5.05 BB/9 in the majors. That's why we get Coop to work with him.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 11:33 AM) I'm calling BS. If Arizona was able to get a five-tool, potential superstar in Chris Young for a pitcher who has been league average for the past two years, and who carries a big contract -- then we NEED to land either Billingsley or Guzman. If we don't get those two, it better be one helluva package that includes both Miller, Jackson, Broxton, and possibly another prospect. If given the choice between Billingsley and Guzman, I think I'd take Billingsley, just because we're going to need a cheap starter besides B-Mac in the next year or two. I'm also slightly worried about Guzman's 3/1 K/BB ratio (almost 130 K's); but that's me also doing a bit of nit-picking, as he was only 20 last year in AA. If a team doesn't want to give KW a knock-your-socks-off type deal right now, wait till the trade deadline. Because, I'm pretty sure Garland would be the TOP commodity at the deadline. Gosh, I'm so hoping for a Kazmir-for-Zambrano type, lopsided deal. Which is why I think Kenny will wait for the deadline. That's when you could rip off teams for their prospects.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 11:09 AM) I hope Willie is back. He's a better player than a lot of you think. I would probably take Willie over Gload simply because we know Ozzie likes speed. The second the Sox got Makoviak, I think Gloads days in this org were done (imo). Byrnes wouldn't be bad (I happen to like the guy). I think he's pretty solid all around, but IIRC he had a rough 05. Still I think someone will give him pretty decent money. Also, when did Byrnes move to RF? I remember with the A's the guy was always in left. I agree with your assesment. BRING BACK WILLIE!

QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 11:09 AM) That should be in green I'd give him a look as a reliever, no doubt.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 10:02 AM) Did I win our sig bet already? B) Until I see Garland trying out a new jersey at a press conference before ST starts, it definately aint over.

DeWon Brazleton. Lock him up Kenny.

Haha, I love it.

QUOTE(beck72 @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 09:59 AM) Billingsley is the Dodgers version of Bmac for the sox last yr. Not going in any deal. Well then, we will ship Garland elsewhere.

QUOTE(fathom @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 09:41 AM) I'd take Fogg over Baj. However, Fogg will probably make more money than the Sox are willing to pay. I believe he also would be better than Baj, but probably would demand alot more cash.

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 09:55 AM) How is Joel defensively? We'll have him work at 3B. We'll make him good if he likes it or not.

Bingo. I like that trade. Preferably it'll be both Guzman and Billingsley. It has to be at least one of them. I don't think Levine told us anything we already didn't know unless he said it would be before ST.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 20, 2005 -> 11:25 PM) Sure, I will put "nitetrain8601 is my god" in my sig if Garland is kept. You do the same for me if Garland is traded. Deal.

QUOTE(SnB @ Dec 20, 2005 -> 04:34 PM) pffft, all this is so 2 months ago in the college world. Bingo.

QUOTE(KevHead0881 @ Dec 20, 2005 -> 11:21 PM) I'm actually in the boat that thinks Garland stays, but will be dealt by the trade deadline. But who the hell really knows. That's what I think if he's dealt at all.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 20, 2005 -> 11:18 PM) I won't have to worry about it. Garland will be gone. Care to make an avy bet?

QUOTE(KevHead0881 @ Dec 20, 2005 -> 11:06 PM) Uh, Walker was the hitting coach in '04 as well. I think '04 was more of an abberation for A-Row. I doubt his decline offensively had much to do with Walker. In '04 Walker wasn't trying to get guys to just pull the ball. Last year he was which is a main reason why most of our guys couldn't hit a slider low and away if you gave them a 50 foot bat. He also tried to get Arow to hit for more power which backfired.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 20, 2005 -> 11:16 PM) LOL, you don't actually believe him do you? It's just smoke-blowing. KW isn't going to come out and say Garland is on the trading block because that would hurt his leverage. And what will you say when he does keep them?

QUOTE(KevHead0881 @ Dec 20, 2005 -> 11:15 PM) We know how Kenny is and there is a good chance he's just blowing smoke here, but these comments still seem noteworthy... Vazquez officially headed to South Side Some other good quotes from Vazquez as well. Told some of you that.

Probably 33. That was his old number with the Yanks.