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QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 03:22 PM) Wow, comparing a player that is retired with a 25 year old who already has made 2 all star teams. You are digging yourself a deep hole today arent you? Would I take Alomar in his mid 20's over Gooch? f*** yeah. Project to be an upgrade? Ummm he already is, defensively and offensively. Sorry man, comparing the two is pretty ignorant. Last time I checked we play half our games at home as well. Last time I checked, our park was one of the most hitter friendly in the MLB. Last time anyone with a brain checked, Blalock was better than Crede. Blalock is younger, cheaper, better, and not injured. HE IS BETTER. I showed you what Blalock hit in the Cell. He only had 1 good year. Even when you average that in, he's in the mid-.200's avg. He sucks in the 2nd half. Crede helped carry us in the 2nd half, Blalock wouldn't have. Crede road > Blalock road Blalock Home > Crede Home Crede 2nd Half > Blalock 2nd half.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 03:16 PM) The only problem Nite is that you have only a few oober guys out there that you believe are better than Crede. Chavez and thats pretty much about it. If we could get Hank and reaching for a pie in the sky like Danks for that package you do it. I would trade Crede for a package of Blalock and someone else, but I'm not giving up Garland in that deal. That's overpayment for Blalock. Wilkerson doesn't interest me enough over Anderson either. I'd take Chavez, Figgins, Wright, Ensberg and Glaus if he could stay healthy for a year. That's just off the top of my head.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 03:05 PM) Not an upgrade huh? How many times has Crede been an All-star? Has he ever surpassed 100 RBI's? Has he even broken 80? Career Numbers: Blalock .274 .338 .471 .809 Crede .255 .303 .454 .742 thats just offense How about we throw in some comparable players based on Baseball-reference.com Crede: 1.Doug DeCinces 2. Max Alvis 3. Butch Hobson Blalock 1.Scott Rolen 2. Eric Chavez 3. Ken Keltner Blalock is only 25 years old too!!! With a better contract, better agent, better future. Come on. 1)I already told you which guy who has been in a position to score that many RBI's and who has the protection. I suggest rereading that Rock. 2)All-Star appearances mean nothing. Robbie Alomar made the all-star game several times, let's go get him again since Iguchi hasn't...right. 3)You have to look at splits when looking at Blalock. There's a reason why Florida didn't end up dealing Beckett to Texas. One of the reasons is that Blalock stinks outside of Ameriquest Field and he stinks in the 2nd half. If you don't want to accept those reasons, then fine by me. But Blalock doesn't project to be an upgrade over Crede. I could care less how old each one is right now because they're both around the same age and neither is in their 30's. Talk about age when it's the difference between a 19 year old and a 25 year old. Or a 31 year old and a 25 year old.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 02:45 PM) Would you like to compare pitching rotations, bullpens, defense or offense first to prove yourself wrong? You pick. I'd like to compare teams.

QUOTE(Rex Kickass @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 12:23 PM) I guess this is my point. The Marlins shouldn't do the same old thing as every other team because they aren't the same old team. A new team needs to do things differently or more specially based on market conditions. I don't think that Loria seems to understand that as an owner. As a result, they have teams that do the same old thing which doesn't work because he's in a market with different needs. They fail. How many owners, then, will it take to fail for you to understand that it's the fans and not the owner?

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 02:50 PM) hahahaha. Hmm where should I start. Ride out Crede and wait for a player who struggles in the minors at the position or trade Crede whilee we still have him for somone we would have longer and cheaper? Blalock is a better player-offensively, and this year, defensively, serious, stop with that. Its like trading in a 2 year leased lexus for a different one, for longer lease period, for less money, and less chance of maintenance. If you're willing to give up on Field already, then I'm glad you're not a GM. It's been proven that Blalock is nothing outside of Ameriquest and is a horrible 2nd half player. I'm willing to ride out Crede for a year especially since it took Beltre that long as well to break out. Again, I'm not against trading Crede for an upgrade, but Blalock is not an upgrade.

QUOTE(Felix @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 02:33 PM) The thing with Blalock is that at home, his numbers are good. On the road, his numbers are worse than Scott Podsednik. Most players have a downgrade in their stats when away from home, but its not as severe as Blalocks. He hits with a .150 OPS lower (I just pulled that number out of my ass, so sorry if its not completely accurate) when on the road than at home, and when your home ballpark is the biggest hitters park in the league, teams should definitely worry about what he'll be like when not hitting there 81 games a year, and from all signs, it doesn't look good. Exacto.

QUOTE(JimH @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 02:30 PM) OK, I deleted all the stats and the Decree of Silencio, and just quoted the last part. Crede has been a streaky hitter his whole career, he has a bad back, that will likely not help him in his consistency battle. Just saying. You are speculating about contract situations re: Boras with absolutely no basis in history, fact, or logic. Crede is their only Boras client, they don't draft them or trade for them unless it's a stop gap guy they intend to let go anyway. They drafted Josh Fields for a reason, it gives them a backup plan. They traded for Mackowiak for a reason, a backup plan. So you can throw the comparison stats out the window, there is much more to the equation than stats in this case. Think about it. Yeah and since Crede isn't a FA after this upcoming year, it would just make more sense to ride out Crede and if they are not satisfied with his production or don't want to pay him, Fields should be ready in time and they would get picks for Crede. I'm all for upgrading at 3B. Hank Blalock is not an upgrade, however. It's like trading in your black Lexus for a Silver one. All the same parts, just a different color. Also, Crede got streaky when he first changed his batting stance. Now he's just using the one he had when he first came up and so far it's worked big time.

QUOTE(heirdog @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 02:25 PM) What are Blalock's splits at the cell? That would be more telling than "home" since if he were traded, "home" would be the cell. 2003: G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS U.S. Cellular Field 4 14 2 3 0 0 2 3 0 1 0 0 .214 .214 .643 .857 2004: G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS U.S. Cellular Field 3 11 0 2 1 0 0 0 2 3 0 0 .182 .308 .273 .580 2005: G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS U.S. Cellular Field 3 12 1 5 1 0 0 1 1 5 0 0 .417 .462 .500 .962 So far, he's had one really good year at the Cell and two piss poor ones.

QUOTE(FGarcia34 @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 02:22 PM) Home AVG's: Blalock - .297 Crede - .235 Away AVG's: Blalock - .231 Crede - .269 Personally, I'd rather have a hitter hit better at the Cell than on the road. I would too until I see that the player is just a first-half player. Look, I have no problem trading Crede in a package anywhere, but it better be for someone better than Hank Blalock.

QUOTE(heirdog @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 02:17 PM) Chicago gets: Eric Chavez (Oakland), Justin Duchscherer (Oakland) Oakland gets: Jon Garland (CWS), Justin Germano (Cincy), Austin Kearns (Cincy) Cincy gets: Joe Crede (CWS), mid-level prospects (Oakland) I take that over Blalock, Wilkerson and a 'spect. I like it.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 02:16 PM) No offense nite but there is no way the Blue Jays are better then last years sox team. I didn't say that. I said, they'd be better than this year's White Sox team with no moves. Thomas probably would've been hurt again, Everett would've kept on with his wild swing, no one to protect Konerko, and we wouldn't have gotten the same lucky bounces as we did last year.

Blalock 2004: G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS Pre All Star 86 353 58 107 22 2 23 68 33 80 0 1 .303 .369 .572 .941 Post All-Star 73 271 49 65 16 1 9 42 42 69 2 1 .240 .338 .406 .743 G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS Home 80 315 63 98 20 2 16 63 41 76 2 2 .311 .386 .540 .926 Away 79 309 44 74 18 1 16 47 34 73 0 0 .239 .323 .460 .782 Blalock 2003: G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS Home 70 275 50 94 19 1 18 53 27 44 2 2 .342 .399 .615 1.014 Away 73 292 39 76 14 2 11 37 17 53 0 1 .260 .301 .435 .736 G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS Pre All Star 81 313 50 101 19 1 14 48 26 53 0 2 .323 .375 .524 .899 Post All-Star 62 254 39 69 14 2 15 42 18 44 2 1 .272 .319 .520 .839 I'd think it's pretty accurate to say that Blalock is not a 2nd half hitter, nor is he a good hitter outside of his ballpark.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 01:55 PM) Right there you should have stopped yourself... Try not to make yourself look like an idiot, please. Blalock is just as good on defense, is better on offense, even away from his home park, he hit better than Crede did AT HOME. And his agent is not Boras, and he is cheap. Seriously, come on. Did Blalock on the road hit better than Crede on the road?

QUOTE(FGarcia34 @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 01:57 PM) You cant base his whole career on SPLIT statistics from 2005. Blalock had an off year last year and still hit 25 dingers and 92 rbis. The guy played in 161 games, 170 hits, 279 total bases and compare these to Crede's numbers and its a no contest. I understand, we owe a lot to Crede for his heroics in the playoffs, but some needs to tell Crede that the first 7 innings of a game are not extra BP I mean the guy only hits from the 7th inning and later. I think you have Crede way over valued, Blalock is a far better hitter and not too shabby at D either. Also if you mix in Crede's back problems, his agent, and even his age then Blalock is a much better option at third. Bring up the splits from the year before.

QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 01:09 PM) This is a load of crap, too. Chacin ain't nothing special. He would be a relief pitcher for us assuming that we kept the same precise starting staff as last year. Perhaps you also forgot about our superior bullpen and defense up the middle last year, but then again, I would expect as much from you. Chacin not being anything special is a load of crap. Sure, Toronto overpaid for all of their additions this year, but they would've been better than the White Sox this year. I don't exactly remembering praising Chen and Cabrera. Could you link me? Honestly, I don't remember that. I like Cabrera's stuff, but that's as far as I remember in terms of praising. But please help me remember me. Oh yeah, since you know so much about me, what did I have for dinner last night?

He will eat before the day is over. I guarentee it.

I know what we should do. Stick Garland in the bullpen. He'll be good out of the bullpen with that sinker, plus it lessens his value as a middle reliever big time. Then we resign him to a 7 mil a year deal and he'll be forced to accept or be on another one year deal. That way, McCarthy can start.

QUOTE(VAfan @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 01:42 PM) Joe Crede is going to turn into a monster for the Sox in 2006, just like he was in the postseason. No doubt.

QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 12:13 PM) Why not sign Dotel and Urbina..to incentavie laced deals for 2 years.. Whats the worst than can happen? Urbina .. Attempts to kill Dotel? I was actually thinking the same thing though.

QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 12:25 PM) Yeah, okay. Remember when you were telling me that Baltimore was a playoff team last year? I don't know how you go about evaluating teams, but something is just horribly wrong. Baltimore was until Raffy f'd up, their pitching went down the sh*tter and they didn't want to make the proper moves for a strong run. You're telling me if that team is any other divisions minus the AL Central or East, they don't make the playoffs? I'll beg to differ. They would've made it in any of the other ones. Toronto would've been a better team than us next year if we didn't make any moves. They get Halladay back for a full year, with Burnett, with Chacin(a year under his belt), with Ryan, and with Overbay.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 07:24 AM) It now sounds like Garland will be traded: http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=44409 To who exactly? Nothing is of strong enough substance.

QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 11:28 AM) Its just amazing to me that this guy can call on McNabb to give up his money, just like that. What Tom Brady did was without a doubt generous. However, it should not be expected for all QBs to take the same route. Peyton Manning took the max contract, as did Vick, and I dont hear Wyatt complaining about those two QBs not giving their money back to the team to redistribute among players. And the thing that gets me the most about the whole situation is that Brian Westbrook was the player to complain. He was the one without a contract, yet T.O. is the one with all the facetime and b****es and complaints. T.O. was already getting paid pretty well, and now this asshat from the NAACP thinks that it isnt enough and that McNabb is being greedy. Correct me if I am wrong, but NAACP stands for the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. Yet, Mondesire feels the need to be divisive among colored people who have made good with their lives, because one is getting paid more than the other. What a hyprocritical piece of s*** that this article is. Tell me about it. How did this guy get his position?

Meh, I'll disagree with you guys. Tyson was a stud in high school who never improved due to horrible coaching and a weak frame and non-work over the summer. The idea of having two seven footers on your front line for years to come(Baby Shaq & Baby Garnett as some called them) was too good of an idea to pass up. Let's be honest here, with Brand we would've been stuck in mediocrity. We would've been too good to get the players we needed around him(because of the draft) and we probably would've stuck with coaching like Tim Floyd who Brand made look better than he ever was. The idea was great, but Tyson and Eddy never panned out(like they were supposed to) because of a strong lack of good coaching and other reasons as well. Brand would've never made this city a winner. I guarentee that. Did we lose the trade? Hell yeah we did, but it wasn't a stupid trade when you put yourself in the mind of Krause at the time. C-Eddy Curry PF-Tyson Chandler SF-Eddie Robinson(who had tons of talent; even the Spurs wanted to sign him when he was a FA) SG-Trenton Hassell(he was at the moment) PG-Jamal Crawford(has stud potential, but again, hasn't been able to put it all together)

QUOTE(Rex Kickass @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 12:00 PM) Did he though? Getting good players is only half the equation to making a successful baseball team have a following. You also need a good place to play and a good marketing strategy to get fans to become Fans. How did he market the Marlins in 2004? What promotions did they do to make the team more palatable to Miami? Yeah, the team won 2 world series in the last 15 years. Great. But if you never identified with the team to begin with, why would you come back to it? At least the White Sox have a longer history to tie into then the Marlins do. Something tells me if our franchise was 15 years old, we'd have similar problems building a dependable fan base. It wasn't until we got our marketing turned around that things started to change for us... He got the players, he tried to fight for a better stadium(has been fighting for once since he got there) and didn't get one. Hell, I wouldn't be suprised if the Marlins drew more on the road than at home. Their team made the same promotions as almost every other team. They're just not drawing. Marlin fans(not the diehards) are not really interested in the Marlins unless they get a new stadium which probably won't happen. That's the reality. Florida baseball fans only care about the teams outside their state like the Yankees and Red Sox most notably.