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QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 10:13 AM) Garland was our best pitcher this year, I dont want to see him go. EVen on the FA market I think he makes less than Vazquez. I guaren-damn-tee Garland has a bigger contract that Javier Vazquez.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 10:02 AM) Wow, did anyone just hear that short clip of an interview with KW regarding Garland on ESPN 1000? Kenny said that Garland and his agent are intent on testing the free agent market after 2006 and that the Sox won't try to offer him any more contracts. Then the interviewer asked KW if the Sox will try to offer Garland a contract when he is officially a free agent and KW said, "I don't know if it will even get that far." Sounds like Garland is a goner. Crappers. I think it's safe to say that after this year, HE GAWN! I liked Garland too. Is Scott Boras' little brother his agent or something?

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 10:04 AM) Buehrle only did that for 1 season. This would be the 2nd season of playing around with BMac between the bullpen, starting at AAA, and starting in the big leagues. I still want Bmac in the rotation. I think he could very well be the best pitcher in that rotation even next year. Pass the rocks over here, because it must be some good ass s***. BMac would not be our best pitcher next year as a starter. I'd bet a kidney on that . Brandon McCarthy could spend a full year in the bullpen with Coop working with him and possibly developing another pitch. I don't care if service time is running. We can't just throw someone out there because the fans want to see him if our management doesn't think he's fully ready.

QUOTE(striker62704 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 09:43 AM) I doubt we trade BMac because he is good and inexpensive. I doubt we trade for a CF either. Why add payroll when we have minor league talent that can do the job. Adding Vazquez gets us locked in 3 more years with a good pitcher. KW will offer contracts to Garland and Contreras and whoever signs first won't be dealt. If neither sign both could possibly be dealt as long as we get pitching in return. Think about it. Your first 4 pitchers being Buehrle, Garcia, Vazquez and McCarthy is still really good. I like KW's proactiveness. He's thinking ahead and that will save money in the long run. If you wait til the next year to sign your players you will overspend. I don't like how he get's cocky "the time to get serious is now". It's not classy. Nah, I don't see us getting Beltran. He pretty much had his worse year last year. I wouldn't trade BMac for him straight up.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 09:10 AM) Uggggggh, if we trade Uribe for Tejada, and add a pitcher in the deal, we are getting hosed. Uribe is so much more valuable to this team, and we cannot trade away our pitching like that. We are already depleating our farm system this offseason, please lets not turn back into the 2004 whitesox!!!!!! Um, what prospect that we have traded has turned into a stud? I seriously think you overvalue Uribe and overvalue having everyone back from last year. Kenny knows what he's doing. I'm sure Ozzie and him are talking about potential moves as well. I don't see KW doing something Ozzie is really opposed to and vice versa.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 09:51 AM) Call me McDonalds, because I'm lovin it.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 09:52 AM) Which is why I don't think this happens. Unless Garland goes. And even then, I doubt it. I can't think the payroll is going to $100M plus. Like someone else said, people are too used to our payroll from the past 20 years. We've won it all. JR is pumping that money back into the team. We're not going for 1 championship, we're going for a dynasty. It's the only way JR knows how to build.

Hopefully he signs relatively quick. KW is basically trying to make sure he doesn't hit the open market which he'll make tons of cash. Smart move Kenny.

The Sox will probably look into Ugeuth Urbina. I'd look at Felix Rodriguez and Jim Mecir personally and Urbina.

QUOTE(JimH @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 09:06 AM) Well, guess what, you are right. People become too attached to individual players and then you have other people who were wrong all year about the direction of the team, and guess what, they are wrong about this too. Miguel Tejada, you nail it, best in the game. But like you said, unreal. Exactly. Let's not get emotionally attached with players. Hell, I see more people attached around here with guys like Baj and McCarthy than I saw them with Frank. Tejada >> McCarthy & Uribe right now. And guess what guys, we're trying to win right now.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 09:01 AM) OC sucks. Both the player, and the show. Let's not get crazy here. The show friggin' rocks. Though Reunion is better.

QUOTE(S720 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 08:49 AM) LMAO!!! This is from a Mets fan. Great stuff.

QUOTE(JimH @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 08:48 AM) This is hilarious, people are saying don't get the very best SS in baseball because we have to give up a SS and a pitcher, and also we have people who are afraid of payroll like it's their own money. Unreal. This is Miguel Tejada, people. Damn right. And Miguel Tejada is at least as good as Uribe on his worst day defensively.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 08:45 AM) We should get OC for our shortstop instead! Seriously, I don't want to give up Brandon. Well most of our pitching are beginning their primes or are younger than that. If we deal McCarthy for a Tejada, this would be a trade gearing for several more World Series runs. Also, now that we dealt Vizcaino, something tells me that if this deal was done, one of their relievers would be added like a dare I say, LaTroy Hawkins or a Jorge Julio.

Well, I love Tejada. Fathom, Miguel Tejada is the Albert Pujols/Miguel Cabrera of his position, except he plays defense very good as well. I doubt this happens. Correction, I'm 99.9% sure this doesn't happen.

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 01:40 AM) Which, when you consider any possible 6-man rotation, lends credence to the White Sox trading Garland now. Are you going to trade him now, with a full year of service under a team, or midseason? If you believe is value is lessened now, just wait until June. I don't believe Williams has a rotation set in mind to battle possible injuries (Garcia--WBC). And neither do I believe McCarthy deserves to be in the bullpen. He'll be lucky to work more than 3 innings in any one game he pitches. Don't do this to him. Where's the Kenny Williams' of the league? Where's the person willing to overpay? Someone has to be willing to give up talent in exchange for pitching. Kenny Williams is a smart man who knows what he's doing. I don't but this whole, "McCarthy doesn't deserve this" jargin. McCarthy in the pen would be excellent for us because he would still get his time in. You act like we've never thrown someone in the bullpen and let them start as well. Look at Buehrle. He was a bullpen arm for us in 2000 and started in 2001. I like my pitching staff to be deep. Without McCarthy we have no insurance just in case 1 memeber of the staff goes down.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 01:41 AM) Doesn't the air in Arizona also mess with a pitcher's breaking stuff? Yeah, something about it makes all breaking stuff less effective. That's why when McCarthy's curve was working well last year in ST, people were raving about him.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 01:35 AM) That CBS article made me a little worried on that, but hopefully that's what happens, especially since we're giving up Chris Young here. But now I'm going to propose something here with Jon Garland. Miguel Tejada. That's right, you can start calling me crazy right now. But if right now we offered, Jon Garland and Joe Crede or Juan Uribe plus a prospect (would have to be top 5) for Tejada, don't you think that's the best offer the O's would have received so far? And it's actually do-able payroll wise. Garland will make 7-8M in 2006 if he goes thru arbitration. Crede prob 3-4M, and Uribe makes about that, so we only take an extra 1 or 2M. I extremely doubt something like this will occur, but if you're looking at possible trade scenarios for Jon Garland, with the current market, and what teams have, Miggy Tejada looks like a pretty damn good fit. Now do I like the trade? Well it's going to depend on a number of factors. How good of a player Chris Young turns into (I'm guessing he could eventually be a monster at Chase Field), the reliever we're giving up (I think Baj or Munoz possibly), what we get for Jon Garland, and how Vazquez does for us over the next 3 seasons compared to Jon Garland for what they're making etc. I love Tejada as much as the next guy and I think he was given too much crap, but with Tejada onboard, I think that's just too many personalities on the team.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 01:28 AM) Well, we subtract El Duque's $4.5 million for 2006 and add Vazquez's $11.5 million in 2006 and $12.5 million in 2007. So that's $7 million added to our payroll in 2006 and $12.5 million added to our payroll in 2007. I still hope the Diamondbacks are sending us the Yankees $3 million per season for Vazquez's contract. That would make Vazquez's contract a little easier to stomach. Don't matter to me. I'm not paying it. All I'm supposed to do is go to the ballpark and enjoy the game and I've done my part.

QUOTE(SoxFan562004 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 01:20 AM) to some teams, but I think to some contending teams it would still be pretty high, if a team has a hole in their rotation and one good pitcher can make a difference next year, his value would still be high But those teams aren't going to be willing to give up good major league talent for him else they'll be subtracting from their team. We don't care for Minor league talent at this point except our own(I don't see any more of our OF prospects or pitching being dealt.)

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 01:19 AM) We all have to remember that Garland's impending trip to free agency after 2006 shoots down his trade value a great deal, especially when teams throw 5-year, $50+ million contracts at him. That's what I think alot of people are underrating. I'm suprised no one has mentioned Garland for Pujols, Bonds, or Texieria.

QUOTE(KevHead0881 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 01:13 AM) I agree. And I'm fine with him in the bullpen, as long as he is used. And I suspect that, being the quality pitcher he is and that Ozzie even used Viz alot, B-Mac will get used. If anything, he can solidify our bullpen as a long relief guy. Wouldn't be the first time its been done with a young, soon-to-be starter. Yeah, I'm thinking he's going to be handled like Buehrle was.

QUOTE(sircaffey @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 01:12 AM) How about an Eliminator? What the s*** is that? I don't care if it's a meatball, it sounds f***ing awesome. Kind of like R.A. Dickey's(from Texas) "The Thing" pitch.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 01:10 AM) So if Garland isn't traded, I guess McCarthy will just take over the role that El Duque would have had with us in 2006 if he wasn't traded -- long reliever / spot starter out of the bullpen. Well no. Ozzie had El Duque starting this year if he was with us.

QUOTE(sircaffey @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 01:10 AM) Work on a forkball??? Screwgie.