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QUOTE(KevHead0881 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 01:05 AM) B-Mac is a major league ready pitcher, but I don't see the harm in easing him into the rotation. He'll fill the role he had most of this year. We were extremely lucky to have our starters as healthy as they were from start to finish, but its hard to expect that every year. If, god forbid, something were to happen to one of our five starters...BAM! Here comes B-Mac! Bullpen or AAA, I don't know. But I'm sure Ozzie, Coop & Crew will know what is best for him. Either way, we've come a long way since our "5th starter by committee" days. 4th by committee days you mean. We through out some chumps after Buehrle and Garland in 2001. 2002 we through out Buehrle, Garland and Ritchie was it?

QUOTE(hi8is @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 12:57 AM) 15 people positve about vazquez and only 8 negitive against him so it looks like the general population here for the most part likes vazquez Well because with the right pitching coach(Coop), Vazquez can be electric. Not just good, electric. He has as good of stuff as anyone else on the staff if not better when on.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 01:01 AM) This is crazy. I kinda like acting like the Yankees or Red Sox and trading for every big name. Let's get to work on Tejada and Griffey after this B) I know. It feels great to finally act like we're the big city team we are and trump the northside in the process.

QUOTE(Sox Hustler @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 12:55 AM) I wouldn't want Griffey, I don't care if it was a little foot injury. If he was so healthy to play after a week then why didn't they let him at least spot start. Even with JG in his last year I am sure there are teams in the playoff hunt hungry to acquire a pitcher. They were in the process of selling their team and wanted to protect all their assets which is why they didn't want to deal Griffey either.

QUOTE(sircaffey @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 12:51 AM) Another Xboxish idea....Garland/Crede for Blalock/Wilkerson Pods Wilkerson Konerko Thome Dye Blalock Iguchi Pierzynski Uribe Blalock f***ing sucks outside of Texas.

QUOTE(Sox Hustler @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 12:49 AM) I am sorry but I think we could get a better player in return than an old injury plagued Griffey. I don't think you can simply because Garland is on the last year of his deal. Plus Griffey hurt his foot at the end of last year, but it was said he could've played after a week if they were in contention which they weren't. It'll be 5 years from now when people start saying he isn't injury prone anymore, and by then he'll be retired and others will be wishing we didn't miss the boat on him. Garland for Griffey or bust. I don't want Pods in CF. I don't want Abreu in CF.

QUOTE(daa84 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 12:49 AM) i just want to say the sox must really be high on anderson, they not only cleared the guy in front of him, but also the guy behind him...not to mention jeremy reed. KW and the gang must really think brian is the real deal. we shall see There's still Sweeney and Owens right there with him.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 12:45 AM) Garland for Figgins and Romero, there all done. They just dealt for Romero so he's not being traded. They'll never deal Figgins. He'll probably man CF while McPherson gets 3B this year.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 12:44 AM) I have absolutely zero clue who the outfielder would be, but you never know. And we wouldn't even have to ask the question "where would he play". Maybe Griffey, maybe somebody we aren't even thinking of from a contender (or team in general) that is desperate for a really good starter. I say Garland for Griffey because Griffey is a natural CF, probably would get dealt for SP because Cinci needs alot of it, and he's a great LH at bat. Plus we wouldn't have to move Pods from LF. Checkout the lineup: LF - Podsednik SS - Uribe DH - Thome 1B - Konerko CF - Griffey Jr. RF - Dye C - Pierzynski 2B - Iguchi 3B - Crede We all know how much Ozzie loves the lefty-righty matchups. This would be his wet dream come true.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 12:39 AM) Oh I agree, and IMO it gets better with a Vasquez for Duque swap. It's just, we are 6 deep....and as nice as that is, we can trade Garland for a proven 3rd outfielder (even move Pods to CF to put a corner guy in left) rather than lose him after this season, and STILL have ONE OF the best in the game. Sounds pretty enticing if you as me. Garland for Ken Griffey Jr???

I love it. Of course you made this poll kind of early. It's El Duque and Young. Not Garland.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 12:35 AM) I hope your right and keep Garland to be honest. I just get the feeling that he is going to get dealt, especially assuming this happens and we get Vasquez. The way Kenny talks about the pitching market, I think there is just about no chance we sign Garland after next year, and Kenny is a shrewd guy and knows he can get a lot for Jon if he trades him this offseason. Plus, the Buehrle/Count/Garcia/Vasquez/B Mac rotation is still one of the better ones in baseball. Just my opinion and speculation though, I've been plenty wrong before. As our current rotation stands, we have the best in the league. I strongly believe that.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 12:33 AM) I don't see that happening. McCarthy is ready to be in someone's rotation, not a long reliever. It doesn't matter if we think he's ready, I guarentee you he isn't dealt unless we totally rip off someone and I guarentee you he doesn't start.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 12:29 AM) Ya, with the Yanks (or did he not pitch when the Yanks were in the playoffs?) He pitched out of the bullpen for the Yankees. Kevin Brown started the game and got bombed against Boston. Then they brought in Javier Vazquez and several other guys who got bombed in that game. Coop will fix him.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 12:30 AM) So what the hell are we doing next now that we have 6 starters? Any ideas? Buehrle Garcia Contreras Garland Vazquez McCarthy McCarthy will probably be our LR or start in AAA(prolly long reliever) and Vizcaino won't be doing as much mopup duty.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 12:26 AM) I think this deal is a clear sign that Garland is going to get dealt. B Mac is READY to start, simple as that, and Garland would be gone after this year for nothing. Say we trade Duque and Young for Vasquez, then trade Garland. That leaves us with Buehrle, Contreras, Garcia, Vasquez, B Mac as the rotation next year. Not bad at all. Plus we might we something awfully sweet in a deal where we give up Garland, even if he's a rental pitcher (quality pitching ain't easy to find!) Just trust Kenny guys, he's not dumb. Garland might be dealt. I don't think so though. I think Kenny will just ride him out for the year and then let him or Contreras go at season's end, depending on who does the worse this upcoming year.

Well Kirk sucks when it comes to clutch free throws. I also don't understand why he would make the 2nd with less than 10 seconds left and no more timeouts.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 10:18 PM) I just don't like the deal at all. I am weary of trading Garland. Think about what happened to PK before last season. They had a deal but he declined because he wanted to test the free-agent waters. Nothing was said during the season. We win the WS and he re-signs without a hitch. Hopefully the case is the same with Garland. Um, The White Sox were the ones who wanted to wait for the offseason to resign PK. And if you don't call what just happened in the offseason prior to us resigning PK a hitch, then I don't know what your definition would be. People don't realize that the Angels were pretty close in getting PK. Garland is a pitcher. An average pitcher these days demands 10 million. Garland will surely get 12 million.

Guess what guys, I finished mine last week. And 1 of them sucked horribly.

QUOTE(3 BeWareTheNewSox 5 @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 08:48 PM) Well Riley, the jerk store called, and they're running out of you Why so much hate for Riley?

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 08:44 PM) I do not want Vazquez...thats what that means. Well you're not Kenny GM.

QUOTE(WSFAN35 @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 08:35 PM) If there is any validation to the rumors that Garland might be traded, the entire league would be making offers to get their hands on him. He's probably the best pitcher available via trade in a thin free agent market. Why would Kenny accept a Vazquez for Garland AND Young when he could get a much better deal elsewhere. I feel a package like Garland and Young could snag the equivalent of Vazquez, Tracy, and a prospect. Well the White Sox would have to get pitching for pitching. That eliminates more than half the teams in the league. Now he has to get a pitcher with upside or who he thinks would be great with Cooper. Now cut that number in half as well. Next he has to find someone who would give them flexibility. That leaves maybe 3 or 4 teams.

QUOTE(fathom @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 08:26 PM) So the pitching staff gets older, more expensive, and worse? I think that's the reason for the 25 page thread. Vazquez is only 3 years older. Garland is very young, but Vazquez is entering his prime(or should be). With Coop, I think Vazquez will do things Garland could only dream of. And Garland will probably be more expensive than Vazquez and have a much longer deal which is why we would be dealing him.

SportsChannel was better!

QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 07:45 PM) I would do the 3yr/$30M deal. What the hell is the difference? Oh would he not be able to feed his family. If i were him I would want to be in a place where I have a real chance to win a Championship. But you're not him. He's going to want more than 10 million.