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QUOTE(fathom @ Nov 11, 2005 -> 09:31 PM) Patterson will also be included in any Pierre deal, and he'll be their CF. Rowand, Marte, and Rogo are not enough to get Delgado, let alone have the Marlins pay some of his contract. Don't forget that the Marlins love Contreras and that they think he'd be a hit with the Cubans by playing in Florida. Patterson wouldn't have to be included. In fact, the Marlins would prefer his contract to be kept out of any potential deal. Hill would be the guy in the deal. We fill two of their needs and give them a 1B prospect who could fill the hole in 2 years. So basically, we're giving them what they need(not luxuries) for a guy they need to get rid of because of his big contract. I don't think Contreras is needed in the deal at all.

QUOTE(maggsmaggs @ Nov 11, 2005 -> 09:30 PM) No way in hell is Crede worth $3.5 million, even though you are probably right in what he will get. But, when Borass is the agent, we will be ripped in arbitration. He'll get no more than 2.5 million.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Nov 11, 2005 -> 09:27 PM) I estimated the amounts for these players: Pierz: $4 Crede: $3.5 Gload: $400K Harris: $400K Viz: $1.5 BMac: $400K Cotts: $400K Jenks: $350K Garland: $7 Anderson: $350K Kong: $13M +Delgado: $13.5 The team payroll came out to $100.325M then you could subtract Rowand and Marte's salaries A lot of the $400K players could be less next season. Crede will get 2.5 max. He won't jump up 3 million from his current contract, I can guarentee that. Garland will receive 6.5 IMHO.

QUOTE(fathom @ Nov 11, 2005 -> 09:25 PM) Um, are some people forgetting what we'd have to give up to get Delgado? It would probably cost the Sox Contreras, and put us without a 5th starter again. I don't think so. The Cubs, even though the Marlins want Pie, will most likely give up Rich Hill(a starter with lots of upside) for Pierre. That leaves the Marlins needing a CFer (Rowand). They also need relievers to bridge the gap between their starters and Todd Jones(assuming they resign him) which would be Damaso. Now we might have to throw in a prospect like Rogo, but I would be fine with that considering we would have Delgado and Kong.

QUOTE(maggsmaggs @ Nov 11, 2005 -> 09:17 PM) Linkie for ESPN 1000: http://espnradio1000.com/ then go to listen live and I think other Local programming to listen. BTW, Levine is gone. Thanks. I'll use it now because there really isn't much on tv.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Nov 11, 2005 -> 09:13 PM) All that doesn't mean that Reinsdorf is going to raise the payroll that much. Without a salary dump of some sort, we would need a $100 million payroll to re-sign Konerko for market value and add Delgado via a trade. Unless we were to trade A-Row and Damaso of course. I love how Kenny keeps trying, but man, JR and company must be really happy about the WS and must want another if they're willing to open up the wallet that much, that quickly. BTW, anyone have a link for ESPN 1000.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Nov 11, 2005 -> 09:06 PM) Once again showing that Levine knows nothing. Levine needs to lay off the crack. He's been wrong countless times before. Did Reinsdorf just raise the payroll by $25 million or something? Yeah, I doubt this would happen. I really don't see it. I think Thomas will be our DH next year with PK or Delgado as our 1B. I doubt our payroll just got jacked up that high in just one season. Usually, that would happen the offseason after the year we won the World Series because the season after the WS season is when teams really reap the benefits of winning the championship.

QUOTE(South Side Fireworks Man @ Nov 11, 2005 -> 09:08 PM) If the Phillies were willing to trade Abreu for Wells, and it was the Jays who turned it down because of the salary, it means the Sox would have a good shot at Abreu for Aaron Rowand straight up if they were willing to take on the salary. I think it's worth it. I don't see Kenny doing it simply because his defense in CF would be a downgrade from Rowand's and we still would need a 1B with a big bat if this were to happen(assuming PK is traded).

QUOTE(maggsmaggs @ Nov 11, 2005 -> 09:02 PM) If it means anything, Levine was on 1000 and said KW was giddy because teams were willing to talk trade already and Levine says the Sox can afford Delgado and Konerko without a salary dump of sorts. BOTH??

QUOTE(Felix @ Nov 11, 2005 -> 08:45 PM) One injury can be one too many, especially at his age. You could say that about anyone at any age. I could understand if he was injured for 3 straight years with the same injury, but he hasn't been. The basis for calling him injury prone is non-existant.

QUOTE(Felix @ Nov 11, 2005 -> 08:40 PM) I have seen his offensive numbers, yet I have not seen his defensive numbers. I trust offensive numbers more than defensive numbers anyway, since basically all defensive stats are flawed. OPS, on the other hand, seems to be a pretty good way of seeing the productivity of a player on offense. Have you read what I've said? If the trade is for a big bat, I can understand it. I've said this now 4 times in this thread (I consider Thome to be an over the hill, injury prone player however) Thome had one year in which he was injured. I guess nowadays, that makes a player injury prone. :banghead

QUOTE(Felix @ Nov 11, 2005 -> 08:38 PM) Don't get fooled by the two homeruns he hit.. he only had 16 in AAA.. And if you want to use that small sample, shall we look at his K:BB ratio in his brief majors stint? And his home ballpark in AAA, IIRC, plays like a pitcher's ballpark while the Cell plays like a HR hitter's ballpark. How many HR's did ARow have in Coors Light Field?

QUOTE(greg775 @ Nov 11, 2005 -> 08:36 PM) if we lose Paulie, we need the offense that Anderson can bring. We do? Anderson is unproven. Rowand is a world series centerfielder. That's the worst logic ever. There's been ton of s***ty players on WS teams, but by your logic, they should've been kept in favor of new guys being brought in just because they were World Series players?

QUOTE(Felix @ Nov 11, 2005 -> 08:23 PM) I've said this at least twice in this thread. If the trade is for a big bat, ok, it's sensible. If its for extra pitching which would just sit on the bench and wait for an injury, then no, trading Rowand would make absolutely no sense imo. I believe that Rowand will be a key player in the organization next year. Not only will he offer gold glove defense (which I'm not sure Anderson can, although, as said before, I haven't seen him play defense, so I can't judge it), but he has been a good teammate and leader on the team. His offensive numbers were down last year, yes, but as I said before, only 4 rookies all last year had a better OPS than Rowand did, and Brian Anderson likely won't put up numbers similar to Iguchi, Cano, Atkins, or even Swisher, which are the four rookies. I think that Anderson is still another year or so away from being an impact player in the outfield, and I might end up eating crow for this, but until he is ready, and has proven that he can provide better offense than Rowand, I'd stick with A-Row. I also think that Rowand will put in a year closer to '04 than last year was. He's had another year of experience, and I believe that it will make a difference. Likely a ~.800 OPS, although, as I've said before, this is mostly just a random guess. So wait, you admit you haven't seen Anderson play, but yet you could come up with the conclusion that he's still a year away?

Quite simply: Yes. It is the next generation console. If you're going to get it, you better reserve it right now. Those things are going to be selling like hotcakes.

QUOTE(Felix @ Nov 11, 2005 -> 05:57 PM) I know its a small sample size, but if you are going to criticize Rowand for his lack of plate discipline, which you have all rights to do, I mean, he really needs to work on it, then why not criticize Anderson as well? What indicates that his will be much better than Rowands? In AAA last year, he had a 115:44 strikeouts to walks ratio. As far as I can tell, their plate discipline is basically equal. Equal. Exactly. Which means that Anderson projects to be not much worse than Rowand. His defense is as good if not better than Rowand's too. I'm not saying he'll hit 40 HR's, but the fact that we have Anderson, makes Rowand expendable.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Nov 11, 2005 -> 03:41 AM) Thank you. Tell me you've never played a PC EA game before and tell me you haven't been impressed with the graphics. And it's only going to be better with the XBOX 360. It seems like people are b****ing about EA, for the sake of b****ing on EA, because they have a monopoly on the market yada, yada, yada, and not because the games are actually GOOD. Exactly. People are just b****ing at EA Games because they're EA games. MVP was by far the best sports game IMHO.

QUOTE(Jeckle2000 @ Nov 11, 2005 -> 03:24 PM) I don't like this deal... and no not just because i'm president of the AROW fan club... This team won on pitching and defense... We have the best defensive CF in the game right now... Not only that even if he bats .280 next year he'd hardly be the worse CF out there considering his supurb defense.. It's amazing to me that so many people are willing to give up on a guy who has never hit lower then .270 at the major league level but are now ready to give Joe Crede a 10 year deal because he hit .300 in the playoffs... Plus I don't even want to hear about Brian Anderson's high ceiling... How many years did we hear the same thing about Joe Borchard... The fact is that championship teams can't afford to trade key proven players for maybe's and could be's... If Brian Anderson is so great then trade him... He didn't exactly tear it up when he got the chance this september by the way.. Um Mark Kotsay is the best CF in the game without a doubt.

I don't think Rowand would be traded in a deal for Delgado if Pierre is dealt to the Cubs. Why? Because FLA wants Pie if for Pierre from the Cubs.

QUOTE(SnB @ Nov 10, 2005 -> 09:25 PM) all the guys like you complain about EA fans that will loyally buy anything EA comes out with. Aren't you doing the exact same thing? you will loyally not buy anything that EA comes out with. This is why the sports videogame market has taken a downward turn. If both sides of the line stopped caring about brands and started caring about content, we'd have alot better games out. Exactly.

QUOTE(Jeckle2000 @ Nov 10, 2005 -> 08:22 PM) MVP baseball sucks end of story... People cream their pants because it has EA on the label... Even though it has worse graphics and crappier features then every other game on the market... But the guillible people will buy it because of the name on the front... It's so sad that those crappy Madden games are the only options out there for football.... because i'm stuck with 2k5 till that license runs out... EA SUCKS!!!! BOYCOTT EA!!! Wow. Worst post ever. MVP undoubtedly has been the best baseball game out for the past 3 years. Not because EA made it, but because of the engine they use. Everything flows smoothly and it feels like a real baseball game. It's not even close when it came to MVP and the next best baseball game. I really don't care about who makes games, I just care about quality. EA has made the best quality baseball games without a doubt.

Buehrle. And it will always be Buehrle unless he's injured or he's gone. BTW, I personally would like to see it be Count.

QUOTE(Steff @ Nov 10, 2005 -> 08:50 AM) That might be their angle.. but not the angle of any self-respecting White Sox fan. IIRC, MLB makes and produces the video, so they might just play that angle.

If UIC isn't in the game, I'm going to be pissed.

Well as long as KW has Delgado and Thome as backup plans, I'm fine with what we do. Ross Gload should be nothing more than a UTIL player.