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QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Aug 13, 2005 -> 09:58 AM) The more I think about it, the more I would be angry if they dealt Chris Young in a package. Now Gio would be another story. I'd give up Gio and a mid tier prospect or two. You have to give up something to get something. Young won't be contributing to this team. Griffey would. Not everyone is the Pittsburgh Pirates. They won't take complete crap in return for a very nice player.

I just got finished reading the thread. I agree. Having a career year and doing it against teams in low pressure situations.

Lucky. But we haven't had a World Series Ring here for a while. I don't give a damn about how you get it done, just make sure you get it done.

QUOTE(3 BeWareTheNewSox 5 @ Aug 12, 2005 -> 11:02 PM) Ownt. I'd say give up since there's no convincing, but I don't see how he can still question MB being an ace after all these years, and the stats you posted help show how dumb his argument is. The bashers always only look at the negative stuff. Here's some stuff from this year. May 13th vs Baltimore. W - 8 IP , 3 ER, against the hottest team in the bigs at the time, and easily the best offensive team at the time. One of the 100 'must wins' that have been claimed this season to 'see how we would fair in the playoffs' May 18th vs Texas, W - 7.1 IP, 0 ER, another great offensive team. May 24th @ Anaheim, ND, 9 IP, 1 ER, Anaheim obviously good offensively, and impressive to do it at a West Coast team. May 30th vs Anaheim, ND, 8.1 IP, 3 ER, not bad for them seeing you for your last start. This was the famous Jeff Brantley/Memorial Day game. June 11th @ San Diego, W, 7.2 IP, 0 ER, maybe not the best offensive team, but they were the hottest in the NL at the time, and good again to do it at their ball park. What more can you ask for? I'd say the All Star Game is a preaty big game as well, must be doing well to start that too. Other honorable mentions are complete shutdowns of the offenses of Cleveland (even after facing them so much), Seattle, Dodgers, and KC, and another one at Baltimore that was ended early, but I didn't include them since they wouldn't be seen as big games since the offenses aren't top tier (Cleveland and Seattle's aren't too shabby though). Sure, there are bad games, just like other pitchers, including aces. Roger Clemens is rare, this stuff happens, and he just seems to be going through a little iffy stretch lately. I don't care, think what you think, I still trust MB, and it's nice to have Garland and Freddy to back him up just in case. All going to the playoffs, right??

It's so sad. Plus he was getting A's too. I wouldn't have never told. I would've rode it out. Think of all the recommendations she could've wrote for high school's and stuff.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Aug 12, 2005 -> 10:07 PM) Well that is some bulls***. The Bears will go 1-15 without Rex and Thomas Jones will lead the team in receptions again. f***ing injury bug hates the damn Bears. Mush better step up HUGE if we want a shot at the playoffs and whoever the f*** starts better be a billiuon times better than what we had last year. f***ing b****! Welcome to Chicago Matt Leinart! That would mean the Bears have the worst record and have a chance at Leinart. That's not the case. Bears always try to win worthless games at the end and always end up f'n up their draft position because of it.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Aug 12, 2005 -> 09:57 PM) RT is a HUGE position for them. If Jacob Rogers can step up, they'll be much better on offense. Kind of like the Bears with Fred Miller really. Yep. As far as Thomas Jones. He's a good back, but the knock is he always gets injured and he isn't a power runner. He's more of a scheme guy. He fit very well in Shea's offense. Like I said before. I think Shea got too much blame last year. Benson is needed for the power running Turner wants.

QUOTE(Ozzie Montana @ Aug 12, 2005 -> 10:06 PM) RIP EMM!!! John Garland goes for win 17. Best of luck. ^What he said.

QUOTE(ScottPodRulez22 @ Aug 12, 2005 -> 10:02 PM) So please why have you suddenly went off at buehrle? I felt this way for some time. I was ready to go off on him the last time he faced Boston, then after he faced KC. Tonight was just the last straw since so many people call him an ace. Fact is he isn't. He's a nice #2 if anything. He's not a true ace. I'm not saying the guy sucks, but he is overrated.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Aug 12, 2005 -> 09:53 PM) Yep, we've actually got a good version of Jones to root for (and I ain't talkin bout Jerry). Haha, yep. I love Julius. I honestly thought he would be a bust considering the mediocre career he had at ND. And I think Drew Bledsoe will make the Bears pissed that they passed on him a couple of years back. They have nice WR's and a revamped line. Rivera is an anchor on the O-Line. Their defense should be better. 10-6 season IMO.

QUOTE(ScottPodRulez22 @ Aug 12, 2005 -> 09:47 PM) agaist the best f***ing teams in the league they are. I'd rate the Cards, Yanks & Red Sox the best teams offensively over the past couple of years. Out of those teams, the teams he actually has played, he has a high 3 ERA against. Oakland he has a high ERA against as well. All the good teams he simply cannot beat. It's becoming even more viewable to see this year. Any elite team and chances are he won't beat them.

QUOTE(TheHammer @ Aug 12, 2005 -> 09:49 PM) Overreactors. For all anyone knows he is out 3 months and will only miss half the season. THe defense looks great and so does the pass pro, which is GREAT because Hutchinson is very solid if he has time to throw. 3 Months best case scenario. Best case scenario never works out for the Bears. Plus they wouldn't want to rush him with his injury problems. We're talking at least 4 months. By then, the Bears won't play him towards the end of the season. Probably because someone will be leading them farther than Grossman ever took them or they'll suck so much that Orton will be getting his PT. I always got my Dallas Cowboys. Anyone want to jump on the bandwagon??

QUOTE(Soxfest @ Aug 12, 2005 -> 09:27 PM) Tough loss 8 runs for White sox should equal a win Yep.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Aug 12, 2005 -> 09:22 PM) Are you just going to ignore these stats nine? Yes, high 3 ERA's are great aren't they?

QUOTE(ScottPodRulez22 @ Aug 12, 2005 -> 09:12 PM) Why do people think that he pitched bad in the minosota game God he gave up like 1 mistake to Tori Hunter nothing he can do the old johan santana was pitching. 5 ER IIRC. That's against a bad hitting club.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Aug 12, 2005 -> 08:57 PM) Why was this a big game? Because it was the Red Sox? Red Sox twice. A's 3 times. Minnesota. Yankees.

QUOTE(sti3 @ Aug 12, 2005 -> 08:58 PM) Buehrle is what, 2 year older? How many more star calibre seasons has he put together? What an asinine thing to even be discussing. "WHO'S OUR ACE" He's hit his ceiling quicker. As far as ace pitcher he is not that. He just has been our best pitcher but remember, we really haven't had that many good pitchers around here. Garland didn't develop until this year. Bartolo and Wells had their worst seasons here. People's eyes have been blinded by that. He's a nice pitcher, but he's not an ace. Learn to be able to pitch in pressure situations and against playoff type clubs, and then he'll be an ace. Until that, he's just feeding off of bad hitting clubs in the Central.

QUOTE(sti3 @ Aug 12, 2005 -> 08:55 PM) blah blah blah we've also played a higher caliber of opponent since july 1. the al east can mash. And El Duque, our 5th starter, has managed. Same with Garland and even Count has been decent. Same with Freddy.

QUOTE(GBlum27 @ Aug 12, 2005 -> 08:54 PM) Jon Garland is more of an ace than Buehrle? Hahaha. Tell me how Buehrle has faired in big games. This doesn't only date to this year. Look at last year when he gave up like 8 runs in the first against the Yankees at home. Who was the only one who loss against the Twins especially after having an early lead?? Oh yeah, that was Buehrle this year. Buehrle has choked against the A's and Red Sox as well not once, but twice(well the A's 3 times). Buehrle gets a pass for the same s*** Garland got flak for.

QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Aug 12, 2005 -> 08:41 PM) Oh he's had more unerned runs over that stretch than Garland has ever allowed in a full season, but we all know how much flack Jon took over the years for not being able to pitch over mistakes. It's time to call out Buehrle's sorry ass for the same thing. Don't say that. I was getting flamed for suggesting such. He's no ace if he can't pitch in big games and get over pressure situations. Garland has passed up Buehrle and is the real ace. He doesn't choke in big games or big situations. Treats all teams the same. Buehrle can't do that. He's simply become the Jeff Baj of the major league team - overrated!

Maybe Buehrle should take notes on a real ace at hand.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Aug 12, 2005 -> 08:12 PM) Go to bed, kid. I'm a legal adult. I wouldn't say I'm a baby goat.

He has the talent to work his way up. He just doesn't want to I guess. If you're a RB and can't make it with the Broncos, you can't make the league.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Aug 12, 2005 -> 07:33 PM) My gawd, STFU. Freedom of speech. I still have a big thread that I'm making on the subject of Buehrle being overrated around these parts and facts supporting why he isn't a true ace. Mainly because he sucks in big games.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Aug 12, 2005 -> 07:26 PM) Garland, this year's AL Cy Young winner, will get the Game 1 win. You forget who manages this team. Ozzie will ride Buehrle in Game 1 until he gives up 11 runs. Then he'll decide it's time for Jizz to clean up his mess.