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I heard Florida knows about the intention of Boston that they might swing him to Philly and therefore, that's why they are thinking about just keeping Burnett because they don't want to hurt themselves in the playoff race. This may also be a reason why Burnett isn't dealt to us.

Oh, I so wish we could get him. He would be awesome for us.

Call bishes!!!!1

Burnett signing an extension won't be a deal breaker. At least that's what Rogers thinks.

QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Jul 28, 2005 -> 02:27 PM) 98? Hmm...wonder how we exceeded 97? Timo? Willie.

Niiiiiiiiiice. I can't wait for the Crede.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jul 28, 2005 -> 01:55 PM) So the pitcher brushed him off or did he hit him? Those are two seperate things. If he was hit by the pitch why did he try to get out of the way of the pitch AFTER he was hit by hit? I think I already explained how it allows him to be more selective and take away part of the plate. You bring up Mark Prior. That is one pitcher in all of MLB that has actually challenged Bonds with it. You can see it anyway you like. I have no reason to argue and in fact it is quite tiring. Yeah, I forgot. Prior is the only brave man to ever dare challenge Barry Bonds.

QUOTE(daa84 @ Jul 28, 2005 -> 01:53 PM) yeah that or we could have a conversation that originated with someone speculating about a nonexistent trade for barry bonds, when bonds for sure isnt on teh market and for sure wotn even play this year....besides talk about nonexistent trades that coudl be going down is why teh inside beat was created, not to hear some 15 year old kid and some other people duke it out about why barry bonds hit homers But it is a potential trade. Don't you know that Bonds will be on the market next year because he can't play the field anymore, therefore making him available to the White Sox for Timo Perez and maybe Willie Harris. Of course, if we throw in Harris, you know they're throwing in Vizquel and Schmidt.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jul 28, 2005 -> 01:53 PM) Another thread down the toilet. Thanks guys. Just trying to make our contributions to the board. Thank us later.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jul 28, 2005 -> 01:51 PM) Kid, did you read what he wrote? He said that he got hit by the pitch THEN proceeded to move out of the way of the pitch. I have never seen a player get hit by the pitch AND THEN try to get out of the way of the pitch after it already hit him. CAN YOU READ? The armor helped make him a better HITTER. Read my comments kid, it never once included JUST home runs. Are you reading any of my posts? Okay, let me take you through the steps. Bonds gets hit Gets on base Next time up, he is noticeably farther off the plate than his last at bat. ¿Comprende?

QUOTE(daa84 @ Jul 28, 2005 -> 01:49 PM) this is teh most worthless arguement except now im getting excited because SSI is gonna start talking to soxfan1 about how he looks like hes 7 years old in that picture in his sig.......this is gonna be good cuz ive always wondered how old soxfan1 is since that pic is everywhere I think he's 14. Pretty smart baseball wise for a 14 year old.

DP Sorry.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jul 28, 2005 -> 01:42 PM) Why would he move after he got hit by the ball? I don't understand. He got hit by the ball and then tried to get out of the way? Why would someone do that? You started the argument. All along I said I was not arguing the home run point, but you kept insisting I was. I argued that it made him a better overall hitter. Look at my posts. I even included on base percentage, batting average, and walks. Go back and check it out wise guy. He would move after he got hit cas the pitcher brushed him off by hitting him. That's what happens in baseball. Why would he move back off the plate if he hasn't gotten hit? Um, duh! And I still don't see how it makes him a better hitter. All I see is that it makes it hurt less when he is hit. Maybe the fact that when he gets hit on the elbow, it doesn't hurt as much therefore retaining more power for his next at bat.

QUOTE(daa84 @ Jul 28, 2005 -> 01:40 PM) there was an article saying that rooney and farmer were the best radio announcers among AL announcers. anyone have the article that can post it? santo and hughes were like 3rd from last in the NL lol congrats rooney and farmeio...you guys rock They are awesome to listen to.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jul 28, 2005 -> 01:37 PM) So did he move or did he get hit? Which is it? Frank crowds the plate that is news to me. Again. I was never arguing it helps him hit home runs. Get that through your f***ing head. Point out to me where I said that at anytime and I will admit I am wrong on this whole argument. He got hit, and then he proceeded to move. It's possible you know in the game of baseball. And the argument from what I see is that the elbow pad helps him hit HR's. If not, then what the f*** are you arguing about?

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jul 28, 2005 -> 01:35 PM) Bonds is probably the greatest player ever, bar none. Even before he was suspected of juicing, he was a force in the batters box and on the basepaths, not to mention in the field. The guy has accomplished more in his career than almost anyone else. This argument is pointless. You Barry Bonds apologist!

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jul 28, 2005 -> 01:31 PM) Jesus f***ing Christ kid. Carl Everett does stand on top of the plate, but does not wear body armor. The pitcher can brush hm off the plate as much as he wants and Carl WILL move. Bonds has no need to as he is protected. They won't pitch Bonds inside. Biggio doesn't stand on top of the plate. Closer than Frank, but not right on top of it like Bonds or Crazy Carl. He sometimes puts his elbow out there to get plunked. He has tried to get hit at times. I have never seen Bonds do that. Bonds does move. Did you not see him the game where Prior plunked him and he was getting pissed off at Prior? All the elbow pad does it make a HBP hurt less. You could still aim for his legs and his head if you really think that his elbow pad has the magical power to allow him to hit more homers. Again, Frank and Sheffield and Biggio all wear armor and crowd the plate, you don't see them hitting a crazy # of HR's.

QUOTE(Finkelstein @ Jul 28, 2005 -> 01:31 PM) That's because he is better than anyone else, IMO. Pretty much. ssi, you were arguing that he hits more HR's because of his elbow pad. That's not the case.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jul 28, 2005 -> 01:20 PM) Nonsense Thanks for the insight. Couldn't answer it because you know its a contradictory statement. How come Gary Sheffield who uses the same elbow pad as Bonds doesn't have as many HR's as either Bonds or Thomas??

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jul 28, 2005 -> 01:19 PM) wrong on both accounts 1) you don't know this Nostradamus 2) It helps him to become more selective in order to find a pitch he can drive out of the park. He is not one of the best hitters in the game only because he hits home runs, but also because of his high on base percentage, walk total, and average. Oh yeah, I forgot, the big bad elbow pad is going to jump out and hit the pitcher right in the face if he hits him there. It's a non-issue. If it a pitcher wants to brush him off, he could. Simply give him credit for being able to hit the ball, steroids or not. The elbow pad is not the difference between a HR and a single.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jul 28, 2005 -> 01:16 PM) OK, it allows him to stand as close to the plate as he wants. If an inside pitch comes in it deson't bother him. He doesn't care about getting knocked off the plate, he will just put that big pad up to protect himself. Since a pitcher can't throw inside he is able to cover the whole plate, which is why his batting average, walk total, and on-base percentage is so high as well as his home run total. So by that logic, how come Frank Thomas doesn't have as many HR's on him or hits them at a pace Barry Bonds does? I don't buy that argument a bit. Bonds loves the ball inside so he could turn on it. Using your logic, pitchers wouldn't pitch inside therefore decreasing his HR total.

1)I don't see Bonds getting traded. 2)Elbow pads don't help driving balls out of the ballpark.

QUOTE(juddling @ Jul 28, 2005 -> 12:42 PM) But the HUGE difference is that while Maggs was here he didn't suck. Hawkins sucked and sucked BIGTIME. He just about single-handedly stopped the Cubs from making the playoffs last year and helped contribute to their crappy start this year. Hawkins came into Cubdom being a prick and bashing the fans and the media, and even said stuff in the S.F. paper about the Chicago fans. Keep booing Cub fans....even though i'm shocked you all were watching enough of the game to even know he sucked. juddling I disagree strongly. He started sucking when the Cubs tried to turn him into a closer in which he admittedly said several times, even before he went to the Cubs, that he is not. They forced him into a role he's not comfortable with and he failed. What did you expect? Hawkins was a great setup man and I think he still could be one with the right pitching coach(Coop, Mazzone, etc). I feel sorry for Hawkins. And I would say he wasn't the reason they didn't make the playoffs last year. It was a crappy bullpen that forced him to be something he wasn't and an even s***ter Sosa and a bunch of babies crying what the announcers were saying instead of doing their jobs.

Haha, this is great. I even felt that it was very classless when watching it. I mean it went on the whole time he was in there. I feel sorry for the guy. That would be funny if the Sox were to get him and the Cubs and White Sox played each other in the WS and Hawkins strikes out the heart of the order with him pitching in the 7th. I'd laugh my ass off so damn much.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jul 28, 2005 -> 11:12 AM) KW has been trying to get AJB to flip him for Wagner for awhile now, and now has a notion of three team deal where we flip AJB to philly and Philly grabs Baez from TB, we get huff and wagner and supply TB with the prospects. Doable? Won't happen. I heard that's one of the main reasons why Florida doesn't want to deal Aj Burnett to the Red Sox because lots of talk say that he'll get flipped for Wagner which means the Marlins have to face Burnett in the heat of a playoff spot. I don't see Wagner getting traded and I don't see Burnett getting flipped for anyone unless it's for Schmidt. As for anyone who asked how do you the price for Vizquel and Schmidt, well they wanted to major league pitchers for Schmidt alone to start with. I'm sure they wouldn't take a lesser deal especially when it involves them throwing in another player who's damn good might I add.