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Also we only need look at the recent trade deadline to see how much more available pitching prospects like Eder were about to be. Trading a promising position player with control for a 24 year old pitcher was horrendous value.

Phillies just traded cash for an interesting bullpen guy from Rays. Marlins/Rockies have been claiming tons of players. It's a joke with a pen this bad their eyes have been exclusively on ...Charlotte.

You give 29 other general managers the same situation and none of them would be likely to break the 62 mets record. You are fooling yourself how bad this was. They let players go like Declan Cronin ...for free. He'd be one of our best bullpen pitchers. They let Romy Gonzalez go...for free. He would be our 4th best player. And yes that's embarrassing, but they were the ones who made decisions like tendering Nicky Lopez and signing him for 4.3 million. Do you want to see what they could have gotten for 4.3 million if they were already going to give spots to veterans? https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/transactions Shoot, Jurickson Profar signed for $1 Million, and is on pace for 7 fWAR. They had a rule 5 draft, took one player who never played. No room - despite selling off pieces of our 40 man a few months later. Interesting guys are passing through waivers every day. We are starting Gavin Sheets in RF. It is pretty hard to make a 43 win roster, and my evidence is 150 years of baseball history.

i'd love to see them live. I remember seeing Keon Barnum at W-S and even though he sucked it was wild how massive he was compared to the rest of the players on the field. And he's smaller than them.

I mean there's not throwing 97 and...throwing in the 1 percentile.

There have been plenty of bad situations in baseball, where the front office was still able to work the margins to put together a normal bad team. That is what even Rick Hahn could do in 2017-2019. 60 wins, normal bad. On the margins, you can still find acceptably bad bullpens. 1-2 WAR ball players for a few million. If you can't do that stuff, you can't do the harder stuff.

strained forearm eh. Nothing to worry about

Well, yes, I do think there is a bunch of people in the org with the right intentions and just aren't good at their jobs. I just don't think in a industry like this that deserves much plaudits. A good example is Getz actually did a lot to modernize our player development. If you were to look at it in 2024 vs. 2014, it would look like the space age... The problem is it's probably as far behind other clubs in 2024 as it was in 2014 to other clubs. Other teams progress too. And even the freaking rockies struggled to put together a team that was not the worst in baseball history.

My favorite Getz/Grifol thing is specifically spending capital to get lower ceiling but, what they believed to be, currently ready for mlb competency guys who turned out to all be bad enough they couldn't even find playing time on the worst mlb team of all time. Oh zack deloach and dom fletcher, you have been a treat.

yeah I think at times we see incremental progress in some areas from themselves and think they are improving but it's still unclear whether it's catching up to any other team. I am fairly certain this group isn't going to work. They may get stars to align and we see a 78 win team or something. It's bleak. So much worse than anywhere else. I remember reading Astroball, and Sig Mejdal leaving with Elias and saying basically he liked the challenge of building back up. And the orioles were a nightmare with Angelos. They hadn't done international for 2 decades. They were cheap. Their farm was garbage. They just sold their fan favorites. And yet funny enough they were only a few years removed from a run of consistent competing that the sox could only dream of. I can't even comprehend a hire that good coming here. It would be so much fun. They'd know how to build the org to plan for the low spending. They'd piss off the defensiveness of this org "Oh sure that team is trying something new but sometimes new things fail! our way of doing nothing new ever is way safer" that is the ethos of the scouts and all their friends that post stuff. Would be glorious.

Thanks

speak to me like i'm dumb but isn't skip schumacher still a manager?

They are still trying to convince some former player who is sitting on his couch I'm guessing (like Robin)

I still think manager doesn't matter that much but boy the white sox have pushed that opinion to the limits.

It continues to be one of those things where sox and bulls fans continue to be right and right early, the organizations continue to call them bloodthirsty and stupid fans, and then after dozens (in this case, literally 100) of pointless losses later where we learn nothing about them we didn't already know, they fire them, or trade them, orDFA them.

Probably, it does feel like the positions he felt like needed consistency expanded from "Front Office" to "Front office and managers" to "every non-player employee"

Do we think the world series just changed everything? Prior to then, I did not get the sense that they were immovable. I would say the "don't overpay for pitchers" is gospel and has been. The long term contracts, has been gospel. But 23 years ago (lol) we did ditch our hitting coach when our 01 offense was trash. We did ditch Manuel for underperforming. We forced his pitching coaches out too. At some point it hardened (maybe being projected 4th in 2005 - even though sox fans were all pretty pumped about that team) that everyone else is stupid except the people he hires and if everyone had their way (we'd do some stupid thing too early)

what do we think will happen first, a white sox win or a Luis Arraez strike out? https://x.com/IE_MLB/status/1819398501593174499

last night was the first day we didn't lose in 13 days. obviously this gap was exclusively off days, not wins, because the last win was 22 days ago.

I agree, it's much more condensed then punt or traditional kickoff returns. Different kind of vision. I still think that is good for Velus (he's still like 220 lbs), but I'd like to see Herbert.

Lmao Tyler Scott is horrible at these returns

Well more like Luke Keaschall to Vargas. But damn I love brooks lee that'd have been nice. Would have probably been 1-1

uh yeah we sure did get close to that package.

that sucks. poor guy.

anyone else see this thinking it was a follow up to news of grifol firing? Sigh.