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i'm not sure any other franchise in history would sit by and let this happen. Think about the 2017 roster. Was it so obviously better than this? Yet it will finish like 20 games better. It's a total failure.

I don't think teams like to pay for control at the deadline. Like they want this years player, and they'll pay more if they can keep him for future years. But I don't think they want to pay the extra fee for a guy who may not be helping put this years teams over the top.

He may have literally been sold for all we know about the ptbnl or cash.

I think my reaction was mostly guided by feeling like I “saw the future” a few days ago (all the top prospects people were amazed by being traded a few days ago were all pitching driven, sellers were being more disciplined in settling for alternative options) and already coming to terms with it. Im just much more frustrated with the failure to turnover our hitting instruction meaningfully, our poor record in finding talent on the margins, and the attachment to veterans for zero reason in a lost year than these trades. I thought we had good timing in being sellers this year, but I don’t think we did. It also doesn’t matter until this s%*# org can take player development and international seriously.

It’s true but also if they can’t generate any hitting internally the ability to trade for it is fools gold anyway.

Baltimore built their pitching staff pretty easily. Mariners are going to have a much tougher time. If you guys want to believe it’s easier to move into the top half of the league in hitting than pitching in an offseason, my hats off to you. Enjoy the wonders of timing young pitching prospects.

I would be more livid if we kept trading for pitching prospects just because they were more available. Hitting is expensive as hell right now, but look how much easier it is to compete with all world hitting (orioles) than all world pitching (mariners). Pitching can be found so much cheaper, I don’t think that means hoarding. Moneyball or not.

Yeah was his 1 inning at 3rd decisive for you

Keith Law: ”The other player is a tier or more down in the system, although I think getting Vargas and Perez is enough of a return for Fedde and Kopech”

That makes more sense.

Lmao

jurdrick profar and mendez have been all i can care about in DSL offensively.

Anyway if anything this is your nomad mazara trade

Rutherford was starting to show his lack of power and poor approach in A ball, not the majors.

Maybe, but Vargas was much better than fletcher in the minors. We'll see soon how much was Dodgers pixie dust holding him up. If the approach declines it's not a good package, but if the rest picks up it's a very valuable player.

Exactly. He has been improving his numbers in AAA each year. If people want to compare to sosa and how they are the same, Sosa's offensive profile finally started to show on this team after he finally could keep his iso alongside improving walk rate in AAA. Michael Busch was also a good offensive player who struggled in his taste of the dodgers but kept mashing in PCL and lo and behold is a pretty strong offensive player. And vargas can be better defensively than busch could. Dodgers don't really have the ability to afford to be patient with prospects. They either hit the ground running or are replaced and held down to season or shipped off. But biggest sign Vargas isn't good is that dodgers traded him. But yes I am concerned his bat speed and exit velocity may not be improving since he's now 2 years from when he was 2 years from when the strength was supposed to come.

Again maybe the most positive person on this trade, but a negative reaction I have as someone who reads white Sox tea leaves is a belief in the guys they acquired that approach cannot be learned, it is innate. And anyway they need to fire everybody who has looked at a position player in this org and start over.

Just a reminder his 80 PAs and all but that 108 wRC+ this year makes him the best offensive player on our team. He’s also fast and has a good arm.

I don’t know. I kinda like Vargas.

I'm hoping for hope. edit: this is not supposed to be a joke, this is for zyhir hope

Good ole friedman, he has to have the most three-way deals in league history.

they could have just non-tendered him, right?

After 44 games he has 0.3 fWAR, behind Luis Robert, Paul DeJong, and tied with Yoan Moncada. He has a 99 wRC+, which would ALSO be tied for 2nd best behind Pham and tied with Robert. It would be third best if you include Moncadas limited ABs. This is both a sign of how embarrassing this team is (only 1 player is slightly above average on offense), but also I'm just pointing out how absolutely silly it is to have a roster this bad. Teams routinely can find guys on the margins who perform better than what we have collected. Any GM worth a damn can scout and scrape along to find bullpens and offenses better than this. For example, Deyvison De Los Santos was rule 5 drafted by the cleveland guardians, then didn't make the team. He passed through waivers and went back to the Diamondbacks, where he hit 14 home runs as a 21 year old in AAA. The perfect guy to have space for in this dumb org. He was just traded as the main piece for AJ Puk. DiPoto found two decent bullpen pieces from waivers in Snider and Voth this offseason. Bailey Horn, whom we sold, has been bad but better than many of the options we kept playing. Nationals get Eduardo Salazer from waivers in June. The Nats spent a total of 3.5M, nicky lopez roster spot, on Derek Law and Dylan Floro who have been awesome. Add that to a Brebbia and it's a not embarrassing bullpen that allows the young SP to flourish. Instead we made sure we had roster spots on the 40 for chuckie robinson, nicky lopez, ...f*** I'm not even going to list allt he trash that they wasted time on. Just as a summary that you'd expect from a team that is only going to win 30 games: They don't know who is good in their org and they don't know who is good outside their org.

oh sorry *Getz

If we are this strapped for cash I’d point out Hahn could have easily gotten out of Nicky Lopez after the trade and saved $4.3 million.