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well you can't argue with that. For one the 1930s and 1960s never happened in our countries history.

QUOTE (kapkomet @ Aug 25, 2009 -> 06:54 AM) oh, no, it's mainstream, conservative, moderates, liberals, agenda - a public option. The whole WORLD wants this! (Except those mobs, nazis, crazy f***s showing up at these town hall meetings.) man, you just have no context on any issue. Read something.

Man it's hard being a white person in today's world, I gotta tell you.

yes, the far far left agenda is ... a public option

yayyyyyyyyy

I'm just so disgusted right now. SO f***ing disgusted.

He should pull his socks higher.

OH MY GOD

awesome!! 3-0 to ortiz bases loaded!!!

don't feel good about this at all.

QUOTE (kapkomet @ Aug 24, 2009 -> 10:51 PM) This all comes out right before Congress comes back to vote on health care. Smokescreen, baby. Edit - to say it better, this has been simmering for months - and they're going to pursue this right at the same time. Right. Nice motives. Well, Obama wouldn't be able to politicize the Bush administration if the Bush Administration wasn't so awful. Obama could spread it out and still have ammo for four more years I'd imagine.

irony?

I don't know, this series was brutal.

will we be the ones sending death threats to congressman?

QUOTE (kapkomet @ Aug 22, 2009 -> 04:32 AM) At the heart of it, it's the transfer of wealth so that the burgeious did not keep it and the prolariats did. It's at it very simplistic form was the transfer of earned money once the cost was recouped of said commodity and how to distrubute those proceeds. That is such a thumbnail view, but that is at the heart of Marxism. Forget what "modifications" were made to Marxism by communists, Lenin, and so many others to throw that wrinkle in of state run everything... AT ITS FOUNDATION: Marx was looking at the capitalistic opportunity of the burgeouis and didn't like what he saw, he wanted those excessed to go back to the working class. Again - thumbnail view. Tons more to it then that, OF COURSE. But keeping it at it's basic level, that does make Barack Obama a marxist by this 50,000 foot definition. It's not a "dirty word", it's a person who supports taking from the haves (burgeouis) to the have nots (prolateriats). From there, people can make what they want of it. Democrat Socialism is another slant of Marxist teachings - and that pillar is closer to where we are then a "pure marxist" but remember that democrat socialism was born FROM marxist theories, which then still says to be that Obama is a marxist. Then an agnostic is therefore a Christian. The heart of Marx was he saw this industrial working class as a superior class, with superior morals and ability. The bourgoisie was taking advantage of this class and would eventually be overthrown when the continued capitalism created a larger proletariat class, which would lead to a ripe time for a revolution (most of his book was about classifying when a revolution could occur) which would lead to socialism then to the end (communism!). Just because in marx's socialism the workers would control production and wages does not mean, and that because the capitalists made more money and it was being taken away does not mean that progressive taxation is marxist. Ben Franklin believed in Marxism then, he advocated for progressive taxation in towns, because the landowners had more at stake, and should pay more for a police force. What a MARXIST! Marxism was a complete set of ideals. Cherry picking aspects of the economic one and applying that as the HEart of marxism is self serving. I'd say next to no one is a Marxist today, not the way there were in late 19th century, not the way the Menscheviks were. I mean, when even the people that set out to accomplish marxism end up creating their own ism, how can you apply it to a president doing the slightest part of a part of an equation. If Obama nationalized every industry, said f*** the farmers, banned religion, threw out the bourgeoisie and said it was all part of a plan to achieve a world with no currency, just everyone providing for one another, then, you can say, that Obama is a Marxist. But until then, it's just foolish nonsense.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 22, 2009 -> 04:12 AM) Um, this whole health care debate is about the exceptions. well, I'm sure the number of rich white kids opting for cool cars instead of health insurance is smaller than the 45 million uninsured + tens of millions underinsured + pre-existing condition patients who can't get insured + horror stories of getting dropped when needing insurance the most.

Sure thing, are we going to be doing the shout downs or the assault rifles?

awesome. f*** me.

wellp, after beckham I'm headed out. Night fellas.

but that's just taking the broad idea of marxism based off of its implementation by a few governments. It's not just nationalizing, it's nationalizing with the intent of creating complete anti-capitalism. And nationalizing typically means more than merely the gov't becoming the major stockholder in a huge recession with mild restrictions. It's just not marxism. It really isn't. Is it rooted in democratic socialism? yes, but that's a different beast than envisioned socialism of the 19th-early 20th century.

i love candy wweeeh we weh

alexei walks.

double for AJ with 2 outs. Hope we can pick em up with Alesay.

nasty pitch. He gawn.

nasty pitch. He gawn.